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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 19:00:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f9460b25-933e-41ba-aaf1-e46a9e22ad10@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT))

> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 23426@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > It didn't replace the old command, that one is still there, it just
> > doesn't have a key binding by default.
> 
> It's the new feature that should perhaps not have a key.  At
> least it should not grab an existing key.  There are plenty of
> unbound keys in Dired.  And why not just provide the command,
> for now, and let users bind it themselves if they like?

It is easier to get users complain about what they dislike than report
what they like.

> > > This new feature should have been added as, uh, err, well, just
> > > a new feature - a new command, totally unrelated to existing `A'
> > > etc.  Bad idea to usurp `A' for a command that requires a user
> > > to have `grep' and `find'.  Bad Emacs.
> > 
> > We want to stop maintaining the etags-derived UI for moving
> > through hits, so this is part of a plan.
> 
> So what?  Introduce the new as optional behavior.  Let users
> decide.  What's the hurry to replace?

See above.

> What's the hurry to replace?

Maintaining too many alternative UIs is a maintenance burden we cannot
afford.

> > OTOH, when Drew will stop assuming "Emacs devs" have ill will, and
> > release knee-jerk reactions, such as this one, based on that, is
> > anyone's guess.
> 
> When will Eli stop personalizing everything?

I don't.  It's all personal to begin with.

> I don't claim ill will - never have.

May I suggest that you ask someone impartial to read all your posts,
and provide feedback?  You might be surprised to learn how your
messages read.

> What's the imperative behind this key-binding replacement?
> Why not just offer the new feature as a plus, not a
> plus-and-minus?

See above.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-04 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02 17:17 bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Heinz Rommerskirchen
2016-05-02 17:41 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 17:45   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 18:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-03  1:18   ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-03 16:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 23:08       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-03 17:22     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-03 19:00       ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-03 20:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04  2:05           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04  2:34             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04  4:24               ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 15:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <<838tzpkgtj.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 15:31                   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 15:39                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 16:04                       ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 16:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <<83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 16:32                       ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 16:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04  5:00 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-04 10:32   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 13:32     ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 13:49       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 15:31         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 16:01           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 15:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 15:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default>
     [not found]       ` <<831t5hkg6x.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 15:39         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 15:53           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 16:10             ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 16:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 16:20               ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-04 16:25                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 16:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 18:06                   ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-04 16:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 16:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<CAFyQvY0KYfeg9-f8DiCJcEy5-W=yRFykLLpCHRtCeqzz9Bdi0g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<3ba077a2-21e0-9799-4f8b-c07bd1623853@yandex.ru>
     [not found]   ` <<<6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<831t5hkg6x.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<7da95e19-50ff-4ca5-a5b8-2a7f65c2a7cd@default>
     [not found]         ` <<6cf9e2bf-fa90-3783-b30a-9021074790b0@yandex.ru>
     [not found]           ` <<93badbbc-31f6-409d-8dff-d67e9202deca@default>
     [not found]             ` <<83lh3piyvq.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 16:23               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <<83oa8liz53.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 16:39           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 18:20             ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 20:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 21:13                 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-05 17:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 23:44                     ` John Wiegley
2016-05-05 17:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 17:01               ` Eli Zaretskii

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