From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:26:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83r2qu17x7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877etklvsa.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83y3m0pv8u.fsf@gnu.org> <86608msw0h.fsf@dod.no> <838tdiet25.fsf@gnu.org> <87y3li4vh7.fsf@telefonica.net> <87efnan46u.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <86wp12qtgo.fsf@dod.no> <83tvw6chqv.fsf@gnu.org> <86shbprix7.fsf_-_@dod.no> <7c7503b4-1f82-8a25-fedd-c61c3e7629f6@cs.ucla.edu> <83zi5o6w4p.fsf@gnu.org> <745d2f02-8ca3-8962-0de4-053340c8fa63@cs.ucla.edu> <83efmx6862.fsf@gnu.org> <83wp0n32se.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515832100 6281 195.159.176.226 (13 Jan 2018 08:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 08:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 13 09:28:15 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eaHAd-0000gM-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:28:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49545 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaHCc-0004K8-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:30:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56499) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaHAf-0003yd-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:29:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaH95-00076h-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42588) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaH95-00076P-DZ; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:26:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4785 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eaH94-0007ma-Mb; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:26:31 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Paul Eggert on Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:33:32 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221914 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:33:32 -0800 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> It's perfectly OK for someone to decide to hack on Emacs starting from > >> a tarball rather than from a Git tree, but then this user gets what he > >> asked for. > > Since I'm frequently in that situation, > > How so? I'm almost never in that situation. To each one their own. Not everyone spends his/her office hours in academic environments. > Do you download distribution tarballs and hack on them directly? If not, how do > you end up with development copies of Emacs without having a repository near to > hand? For some value of "near", I do. But that's not near enough to make consulting the repository a practical part of my workflow in those cases. > > keeping the ChangeLog files > > nowadays means a barely tangible effort from the project. > > We're not talking about removing the existing ChangeLog files. We're talking > about what should be put into commit messages from here on out. As long as ChangeLog is generated from Git log, we _are_ talking about ChangeLog as well. > That is an ongoing and nontrivial maintenance effort You are exaggerating.