From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17779: 24.4.50; (elisp) `Using Interactive' Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 20:13:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83r260dfbb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <79a25ee9-e53e-494f-b7e3-ebd2e2eebafa@default> <87o9159k6k.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="57722"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 17779@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 04 19:14:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1huK5A-000Es5-7w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 19:14:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48946 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huK59-0007qW-6j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:14:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59923) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huK54-0007qP-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huK53-00053d-U6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huK53-00053V-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huK53-00008h-JX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:14:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 17:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17779 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 17779-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17779.1564938832510 (code B ref 17779); Sun, 04 Aug 2019 17:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2019 17:13:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huK4t-00008A-QD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47513) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huK4s-00007x-Iz for 17779@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:13:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huK4n-0004oY-3D; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2829 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1huK4m-0002yf-JV; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:13:44 -0400 In-reply-to: <87o9159k6k.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 04 Aug 2019 14:41:55 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164583 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 14:41:55 +0200 > Cc: 17779@debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes, I think you're right -- the text starting with "Providing point or > the mark" until the end of the example seems like very confusing text to > include in an introduction to `interactive'. It isn't an introduction, it's a full description of how to use 'interactive'. And I find nothing confusing about that part of the text, I think that single paragraph with 2 examples to illustrate the issue is quite appropriate here. Please just leave this alone. I object in principle to making significant changes in the manuals based on hair-splitting arguments, not in the least because someone will always come back later and claim that the new text is worse, or less clear, or whatever. At least in the docs, let's please avoid making changes for reasons that are so minuscule that they need a magnifying glass to see. We should not waste our energy making "limit-cycle" kind of changes.