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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 24897@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se
Subject: bug#24897: 24.5; doc for `M' in Dired
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:46:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r23fkeo2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e2e7d39-fa26-4970-b816-355165f862f1@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC))

> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 24897@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I suggest something like this: Instead of
> "symbolic modes like `g+w'" we say
> "symbolic modes like `a+w' and `a-w'".
> 
> `a+w' and `a-w'o are likely the most useful for users on
> MS Windows.  And I think it helps to show both + and -.

On Windows there's no difference between a+w, g+w, u+w, and o+w.  You
will just confuse people by giving them too many examples.  They
should read the full docs instead (if they want to use this facility,
which on Windows I find not very probable).

> > +Note that on MS-Windows only the `w' (write) bit is meaningful:
> > +resetting it makes the file read-only.  Changing any other bit
> > +has no effect on MS-Windows
> 
> I'm not sure "resetting" is as clear as this can be.

It's clear enough IMNSHO.  Let's not split hair here, shall we?

> How about something like this?
> 
>   Note that on MS-Windows only the `w' (write) bit is
>   meaningful.  Adding it (`a+w') makes a file writable.
>   Removing it (`a-w') makes a file read-only.  Changing
>   any other bit has no effect on MS-Windows.

See above: using a- or a+ only muddies the water.

> (I also think, but Eli will correct me - and this might
> depend on one's setup, that the use of `g',`u', and `o'
> is useless on MS Windows.  At least in my case there's
> no distinction between `g', `u', `o', and `a'.

"No distinction" is correct, "useless" in confusingly misleading.

I think the doc string is fine as proposed in the last message, we
should stop bikeshedding about this minor issue.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-14  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-07 18:52 bug#24897: 24.5; doc for `M' in Dired Drew Adams
2016-11-07 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-11 14:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11 14:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-11 14:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-13 22:37       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-14  6:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-14 14:01           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11 15:42   ` Drew Adams
2019-10-13 22:38     ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-13 23:21       ` Drew Adams
2019-10-14  6:46         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found] <<b7cf8a94-afca-47b4-8d4a-3356a70c8b2b@default>
     [not found] ` <<83shr3gkn1.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-11-07 19:28   ` Drew Adams
2016-11-07 19:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<b7cf8a94-afca-47b4-8d4a-3356a70c8b2b@default>
     [not found] ` <<<83shr3gkn1.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<106ca6bc-ecf5-439f-853b-63331a41d4b8@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83oa1rgjdf.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-11-07 20:39       ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<CADwFkmmtroWL2iVhE+pZgGkab8uOBc8zVVdOi_DWE1hu5ezBqQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<83ftjzpc7g.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<83d0f3pbzu.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11 15:45     ` Drew Adams
2019-10-11 15:57       ` Eli Zaretskii

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