From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43308: 28.0.50; Improvements to Edit->Search menu Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:30:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83r1r9iohh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zh5xiuk4.fsf@localhost> <831rj9k79b.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbpiqa7.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24267"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43308@debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 18:31:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPTq-0006En-Fy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:31:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51552 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPTp-00025B-BP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPTS-0001zL-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:57711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPTR-0000Rd-Ra for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPTR-0001pC-N1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:31:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43308 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43308-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43308.15997554076939 (code B ref 43308); Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:31:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43308) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2020 16:30:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPSY-0001nr-SG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52562) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPSW-0001lo-Dc for 43308@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPSR-00009u-50; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3380 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGPSQ-0006pj-HJ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:29:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:19:05 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:187746 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:19:05 -0700 > Cc: yantar92@gmail.com, 43308@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> I think this is less of a concern these days. > > > > In what way is this less of a concern? > > Users are more familiar with incremental search, for example from > Firefox. I checked, and Chromium also has it, and IIRC so does Safari. > Assuming that our users have used any of those web browsers, they will > already have had exposure to incremental search. The example apps you show are not editors. > In any case, even if they haven't, the feature will quickly be learned > once you start using it. The menus are supposed to help first-time users, with little or no experience in using Emacs. Once they start using the incremental search, the menus are probably not for them anymore. > >> Right. The problem here is that these commands are specifically > >> designed to be run from the menu. Is there any way to work around that? > > > > What kind of workaround do you have in mind? > > I'm not sure. Either we add specific workarounds for them in the menu > code, or we make sure the original commands are adapted to suit this > task. But it would be good to show the keybindings, since one of the > main purposes of the menu is to make functionality discoverable. The problem is that the key sequence invokes a different command. About the only solution I see is to mention the keyboard equivalent in the doc string of the command invoked by the menu.