From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43830: keyboard layout handling incompatible with rest of the OS Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 20:26:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83r1qb9sgl.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43830@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Pogonyshev Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 19:27:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqk4-0001Fu-4J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 19:27:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41578 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqk3-0002xA-2i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqjv-0002vN-46 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqju-0006kS-Rc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqju-0002m1-ON for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:27:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43830 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43830-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43830.160200517310579 (code B ref 43830); Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43830) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2020 17:26:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54055 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqj6-0002kX-2S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:26:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqj0-0002jz-BV for 43830@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55877) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqiv-0006bL-3Z; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3865 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kPqiu-0001XC-AB; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:26:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Paul Pogonyshev on Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:34:34 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189921 Archived-At: > From: Paul Pogonyshev > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:34:34 +0200 > > I use English and Russian keyboard layouts. For every single application I don't need to care which layout is > currently selected for shortcuts, e.g. Ctrl+S and Ctrl+Ы do the same (S and Ы are on the same physical > key). Of course, in Emacs it doesn't work this way: C-s triggers Isearch, but C-ы "is undefined". Do you know how to retrieve the key code corresponding to the English keyboard layout when the active layout is something else, like Russian? Does someone else here know? Or maybe the keyboard driver can be configured to return ASCII characters when the Ctrl key is held, even when the layout is non-English? What Emacs does, AFAICT, when a key press event comes in is call the Xlib function that returns the character produced by the keyboard, and that character depends on the current keyboard layout. We then add the modifier keys to that character. I don't see the "original" English-layout character available anywhere in that code, but maybe I'm missing something. A workaround is to bind C-ы to the same command as C-s (and similarly with other combinations that matter).