From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#47207: 28.0.50; decode_next_window_args crash Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:49:17 +0200 Message-ID: <83r1kcflv6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r1kddi2r.fsf@gnu.org> <37300876-70d1-c741-8a4d-97d024fdf6cf@gmx.at> <83k0q5dbml.fsf@gnu.org> <64dca5b5-1234-9176-dcfe-b42d6eea2caa@gmx.at> <83h7l9d651.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegdd4uz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wsdcob.fsf@gnu.org> <11b795a6-1a20-cc58-73d6-b75227dc732a@gmx.at> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, 47207@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 18:19:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMwJ9-0003KC-8V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:19:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMwJ8-0000tg-9x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:19:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvqU-00021c-2E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvqT-0008Ch-Qr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvqT-00036t-Ot for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:50:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 47207 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 47207-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B47207.161608616811906 (code B ref 47207); Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 47207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2021 16:49:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvpv-00035x-Qx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvpu-00035j-CQ for 47207@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvpn-0007rL-OP; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:19 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3923 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMvpj-0001Qo-W5; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <11b795a6-1a20-cc58-73d6-b75227dc732a@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:51:18 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:202628 Archived-At: > Cc: 47207@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de > From: martin rudalics > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:51:18 +0100 > > >> ... but we don't even have `window-tooltip-p' yet. > > > > It's a one-liner, isn't it? I'm not even sure we need a function for > > that, but I won't object adding one. > > What would you do instead? (frame-parameter FRAME 'tooltip) > >> Why did you decline the proposal to expose buffer markers to Elisp? > > > > How is that relevant to the present discussion? > > > >> > That those who do it must know what they are > >> > doing is a truism; restricting legitimate uses for fear of > >> > illegitimate ones is punishing the innocent for fear of the evil -- > >> > that's the problem with TSA, for example. > > I don't know what TSA is and its relevance to Emacs. But when Basil > proposed to add a function called `marker-list' you answered > > Just reading the markers probably won't but do you really believe this > is the last word? How many hours will it take for someone to ask for > a primitive to set the C-level markers as well, or request the ability > to map a function over all the markers? If it's really needed, sure, > let's do it. But is it? Or are we doing that just because we can? > > which ended up with Bug#35536 marked as wontifx. For me this is a > classic example of "punishing the innocent for fear of the evil". The above was about _adding_ an interface. By contrast, here we are talking about an interface that existed for eons. That makes the world of difference for me. > >> We still have no concept for whether and where we would refuse > >> selecting a tooltip window - in `select-window', select_window, > >> `select-frame', wherever we set selected_window ... > > > > Then let's develop that concept. But again, how is this relevant to > > the issue at hand? > > Because in my crash scenario (other-window 1 t) selects the tooltip > window. OK, then solving this issue will solve that as well, I guess.