From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:42:20 +0200 Message-ID: <83r1aksn37.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <877dcil2sj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87czm98qi1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o85tcwm0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874k7ljwkr.fsf@gnus.org> <87fsr5cuzq.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878rwx8mdn.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1aphuei.fsf@gnus.org> <837dcex6ub.fsf@gnu.org> <83a6h9tu1c.fsf@gnu.org> <63ABAF01-160E-4B86-AA9B-B58F0A04E3EB@mit.edu> <87zgp9m5je.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29642"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Qiantan Hong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 12:43:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mveJG-0007WE-2f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:43:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mveJE-0004Dz-JZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 06:43:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mveIQ-0003YN-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 06:42:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=33858 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mveIP-0000jb-LZ; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 06:42:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=FGJovz1cDJLwOFrWx7AvgdSuQOS6CWVCU0P8aBWXxxY=; b=kp5p0SDZv+MU/JgJipRe mdjJPHhvd33kihCIFdAYQF/jAQlMziA6zPl81q93gVzC3PvdPaE6aJqzIXMcwpekGj0kg4fLxik0D sNrBfB882F7VsT5phoNlNday85wOycmiVW2UiY/rReLaXpEgXrOVx3WsQYZOABY6KBTlre7E0COCU u6YQGGVm4Kxr5mGhfpvi8/b+A7uNXDCcUhPhxWUfNuGwXe9jqFbBN3hYAFyvvmv20TgYtBrgXw932 bqlAfJapeGo7c65lH/nYBl8cR+K8Mz/jo10zeEKZWjPrYF2bDenEWetVxkldwfW01zrr5spSAQmUt hTMb3YBC74mhug==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2147 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mveIN-00036i-SL; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 06:42:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Qiantan Hong on Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:15:28 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281587 Archived-At: > From: Qiantan Hong > CC: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , > "larsi@gnus.org" > , Eli Zaretskii > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:15:28 +0000 > > > But the objections explicitly sounded like they were against having > > the DB access capabilities within Emacs. At least one participant > > explicitly said so. Which is what I criticized from my POV as one of > > the Emacs maintainers -- resisting to addition of a useful capability > > doesn't make sense. > I was and am opposing “using” databases. Maybe the expression is > awfully ambiguous, I apologize — I might not have known what I really mean > before others point out there’re two completely separate issues here. > ofc I don’t oppose adding SQLite3 support for a SQLite3 browsing/editing > package, what I’m resisting is the use of SQLite3 in Emacs Lisp applications > whose application domain has nothing to do with SQLite3 and deserve > pure lisp implementation. A blanket opposition like that, which is not specific to a certain use or a class of uses of the capability, makes no sense at all. You are in effect saying that there are no applications in the world that should use a DB except those that browse DBs created by others. IOW, in an ideal world, you'd deny the very need for having persistent DBs for _any_ application. Please rethink such a general attitude.