From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58634: Long delay with blank screen whilst loading desktop at emacs startup Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:12:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83r0z1uju2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83zgdqwjca.fsf@gnu.org> <838rl9wh4m.fsf@gnu.org> <834jvxwbuf.fsf@gnu.org> <8335bhw68r.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgdpuq3b.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30270"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 58634@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 21 21:18:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1olxWr-0007cX-FJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:18:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olxVd-0004Y9-Bc; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olwW2-0001NB-VE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVy-0005Y0-A5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:13:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVx-0002Gd-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:13:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58634 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 58634-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58634.16663759688692 (code B ref 58634); Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58634) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2022 18:12:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVj-0002G8-V7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVh-0002Ft-KM for 58634@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVb-0005WS-Lp; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:12:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=eI4DqPk/6UCGO5gdp/5XABjvMWYhAIbGVNlgj9OLzXw=; b=fGzmIZsPgPnz 1nn1ZD36+OGtjnk7EIPZlDcikxJMKFrmLzxyged6rt79jQyjwo9oZ2iOl6VHh9zXnFzghzCZyBfUz f9bzgzMbNy1ElopWyIR2HkdlaKqumm0grBZymemar8ja9kzVDBBQ6aHhsiQmMbB/PrUj4EPOzUqdj OqkjQ55DEzulDoVMRN7g4IQBtVzOoSgWnzNMCSxY7tKqU7vp9DH0EJAKh7L7cv1YHi1B0KfzgaHHh 8IkVCJakJkkPXsCd6vOH7yxy7pmlyQGXoREFlL2azI51UDtNnoZaj5vzu0y2arzwQXFYvr48+qJgi BKeZJi6Bj5VpW5NjqPWIsg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olwVb-0003QA-4v; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:12:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 17:15:19 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:246002 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 17:15:19 +0000 > Cc: juri@linkov.net, 58634@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de > From: Alan Mackenzie > > Hello, Eli. > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 18:57:28 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:42:54 +0000 > > > Cc: juri@linkov.net, 58634@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de > > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > > > I'm against adding this kind of trace. > > > > Yes, that's clear, but you haven't suggested anything better. Emacs > > > freezing for large portions of a minute, or even longer, is not a good > > > thing. > > > I suggest to do nothing about that. > > Yes. I don't understand that. Emacs hangs irritatingly, and there's a > simple fix. You're not prepared to apply it, to try it out, or even to > look at it. If you want some messages to be displayed, you should be able to sprinkle your init file with them, right? You can also define a desktop-after-read-hook function to display something, if you want. Assuming this will make the frame display something, why impose your personal preferences on everyone? I'm not aware of any complaints about what happens when desktop.el restores a session (one more reason to consider your case a rare one). > What about the other remaining matter - that (message "") in info.el? > Presumably we're waiting on some response from Juri. Yes. Assuming my guess is correct, I'm okay with removing that.