From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62720: 29.0.60; Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:44:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83r0sp8xih.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a5zj2vfo.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn2modrm.fsf@posteo.net> <87ile6o2ov.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1mz38rl.fsf@posteo.net> <87ile2n0kn.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 12 07:45:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTIP-0002xy-To for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:45:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTI4-0007pr-Gk; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHy-0007nj-Nn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:45:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHy-0000iM-Fd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHx-0007FX-Og for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 05:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62720 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62720-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62720.168127826527796 (code B ref 62720); Wed, 12 Apr 2023 05:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62720) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2023 05:44:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHN-0007EF-8Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:44:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHI-0007Dx-6f for 62720@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:44:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHC-0000f6-LW; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:44:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=SGubweVSL5/gx1TS1nVOJehIhkM58v5DQvJKqINk+6U=; b=S8KKtZw6brMN audkhv6Fuc2IPwXNWVWij11lUPN0TevYg1MAXmfpNHx9P76K18DkW+sA7DkvrdouetSKswJ8tp9+c k9LpdO1RVJQnlowZb4HTWtxLHsPsJfnzukrn8n3v0u2r2W3AkUvv9/HMaJUz/hQYPDckwSnoWXqbx vFxDkKrV87xEwaL9PMpmk/IxgRfpeVNq3II1PgTGen9MfU8f7wd6AZy9ulMmULNWBCBEQ+Y0SZMLn eDBxZU7B/YD6WLD+QOGdSp94bSPvueSFCOaz/JlYlDf3zJmJN2AxeNN4WD/ekmVvLc2o/pF40aeUW ymvEGYtmAtoIYptuqfQQkg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmTHA-0007EB-B5; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:44:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:44:22 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259690 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Philip Kaludercic , eliz@gnu.org, > 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:44:22 -0400 > > > Thanks. I've just tested 'M-x package-update-all' with my patch. It > > updates the built-in and the manually installed packages that can be > > updated. It _doesn't_ install any packages that weren't installed yet, > > of course. > > Hmm... it might make sense to treat builtins specially in this respect. > Of course, maybe it's OK, but for some reason I feel a bit uncomfortable > with the idea that `M-x package-update-all` would update all the > `:core` packages. > > I'm not sure why, admittedly, but I think it comes down to the fact that > the first upgrade of a `:core` package from GNU ELPA feels to me more > like an "install" than an "upgrade". Which means my proposal of adding a new command package-update-core-package makes more and more sense: we will probably need to handle such packages specially for any number of reasons, more so as we go with our plan to have them only on ELPA and "bundle" them when the release is tarred. So having such a command now will be a good investment for the future. Philip, if this makes sense, would you please add such a command on the emacs-29 branch? If the exact purpose and effects of the command are not clear yet, let's talk about it and finalize that. Thanks.