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* Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users?
@ 2010-07-13 19:02 Stephen Eilert
  2010-07-13 19:29 ` Chong Yidong
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 118+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Eilert @ 2010-07-13 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bernardo Barros
  Cc: fplemma, rms, lennart.borgman, joakim, emacs-devel, acm,
	Stephen J. Turnbull, miles, eliz, John Yates

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bernardo Barros
<bernardobarros2@gmail.com> wrote:
> many people in the gnu world are using qt4. are there reasons not to
> consider it?
>

Does it matter?

You see, it is not like Emacs has stretched GTK's capabilities to the
limit. Actually there isn't much being used: menu, the window itself,
scrollbars and a very primitive toolbar (that I always turn off), as
far as I can tell.

What about exposing Cairo bindings (GTK already uses it, so it is not
exactly a new dependency, only the headers) to elisp so that we can
actually draw a prettier user interface? Things like real lines
instead of "-" for the modeline (and a better looking modeline
itself), better looking widgets (the horrendous fake buttons created
by customize, for example), better fringe layer or even, say, an UML
mode with good-looking classes. And perhaps a cute speedbar.

Yes, looks do matter. Most Emacs screenshots look kinda dated and
primitive - and this carries over to the overall perception. I've
added hundreds of lines to my .emacs for looks alone, but I can't draw
something better programatically.


--Stephen

Sent from my Emacs



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* Re: Emacs and Gnome Canvas
@ 2010-07-17 19:02 grischka
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 118+ messages in thread
From: grischka @ 2010-07-17 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: eliz; +Cc: emacs-devel

> What I don't understand is what you need it for in the context of this
> discussion.

As I understood it he wants to display graphic elements.  Such as text
in boxes, or boxes around text, with lines drawn between, interactive
with mouse dragging, possibly dynamic layout, infrastructure for widgets
in high quality, tree-views, all that.

Maybe I like the idea.  One could create applications that actually
look like what they are meant to do ;)

--- grischka




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2010-07-13 19:02 Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Stephen Eilert
2010-07-13 19:29 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 19:51   ` Chad Brown
2010-07-13 20:48 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-13 22:30   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Chad Brown
2010-07-14  1:39     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-14  2:32       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-14  7:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 18:37       ` Chad Brown
2010-07-14 20:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 21:24           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15  6:55             ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  7:46               ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  7:53                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:36                   ` joakim
2010-07-15  8:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  8:50                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  8:48                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  8:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15  9:29                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 10:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 10:54                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 12:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 14:18                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 15:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16  6:33                                   ` Miles Bader
2010-07-15 16:00                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 16:27                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 17:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:48                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 18:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 21:27                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16  8:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 14:24                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 15:19                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 16:07                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 18:43                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 21:21                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 23:44                                                         ` Chad Brown
2010-07-17  0:08                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17  7:57                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:34                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17  9:10                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  9:40                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17 10:23                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:49                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17  7:27                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:42                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17 15:27                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 21:53                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18  1:42                                                               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-18  2:45                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18  8:06                                                                   ` Chad Brown
2010-07-18 14:43                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-21  8:34                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-22 14:26                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-15 17:22                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 18:02                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:10                                         ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-16  7:52                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16  2:14                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16  7:33                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16  9:52                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 10:15                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 10:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 12:42                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  3:50                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:33                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  8:38                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  9:18                                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  9:25                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 10:26                                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18  3:51                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18  7:10                                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18  7:45                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18  9:06                                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-19  0:50                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  1:00                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  1:40                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:04                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:25                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:21                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:01                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:26                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 14:05                                           ` Davis Herring
2010-07-16 17:38                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17  1:12                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  7:14                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  7:31                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17  8:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17  8:32                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-15 14:24                               ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 14:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 15:16                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 15:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:14                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15  9:20               ` Andy Wingo
2010-07-15 18:41               ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2010-07-15 21:51                 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:21                   ` Bruce Stephens
2010-07-27 21:24     ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 21:36       ` Chad Brown
2010-07-28  3:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14  8:59 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-14  9:41   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo David Engster
2010-07-14  9:56     ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-14 13:50     ` Drew Adams
2010-07-14 14:14       ` David Engster
2010-07-14 14:28         ` joakim
2010-07-14 15:41   ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Chong Yidong
2010-07-14 16:17     ` joakim
2010-07-14 18:04       ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 23:15 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16  7:41   ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:24     ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16 12:36       ` Jan Djärv
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