From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 22:24:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83ppky9pyn.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396553065 4245 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2014 19:24:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 03 21:24:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnFI-0002IJ-Pv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 21:24:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45942 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnFI-0002RT-Cp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:24:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33937) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnFB-0002RL-7C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnF4-0000do-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:24:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnF4-0000dk-6k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnF3-00025W-OE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:24:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16617 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16617-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16617.13965530308007 (code B ref 16617); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16617) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2014 19:23:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34761 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnEs-000255-Db for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:47643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnEp-00024v-I3 for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:23:48 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N3G00I00YVX0W00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 22:23:45 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N3G00IVZZ7L1T00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 22:23:45 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87726 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:38:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org > > What problem did I report? "`C-q ?' pops up an annoying > "*Char Help*" buffer." What part of that is not clear? It's clear, I just don't agree that it's a problem. It is intended behavior shared by many other Emacs commands. > Why should `C-q ?' show any "help"? Because '?' is a help character. > Why doesn't it just insert the character `?'? `C-q w' inserts the > character `w'. Why should `C-q ?' act differently? For the same reason "M-x ?" triggers a different response than "M-x w". > The FIX for this bug is to treat `?' like the ordinary printable, > self-inserting character that it is in such contexts: `C-q' > should simply insert `?'. End of story. You can say this till Kingdom Come, it won't change the basic facts: this is a very old feature, and I at least see no reason to remove it, since Emacs behaves like that in many other commands. End of story. > > I don't know why '?' should also be excluded > > It is an ordinary, printable, self-inserting character in the > context I reported. No, it isn't. It is a character that invokes help. > `C-q' is SUPPOSED to insert ordinary, self-inserting characters. And "M-x" is supposed to echo the next word, but '?' still behaves differently there. Just let go, Drew. You keep repeating the same arguments, and they didn't fly the first time.