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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: text-quoting-style
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:37:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83pp2750e1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E0085D.3000404@cs.ucla.edu>

> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:06:05 -0700
> 
> It would simplify things somewhat to remove the text-quoting-style variable, and 
> to have Emacs behave as it does now when text-quoting-style is nil: namely, 
> generate curved quotes in buffers and strings if displayable, and generate grave 
> accent and apostrophe otherwise.  That should suffice for Alan's preferences, as 
> he can run Emacs in an environment where curved quotes aren't displayable, e.g., 
> with LC_ALL=C in the environment.

Telling people who don't see the Unicode quotes to run under LC_ALL=C
is not a good idea, for at least two reasons:

  . on platforms that honor LC_ALL in the environment, it will disable
    many useful Emacs features unrelated to the issue at hand

  . on platforms that don't honor LC_ALL in the environment (Windows),
    it won't have any effect

> It sounds like you may be thinking of something even simpler, though: namely, 
> always generate curved quotes in strings and buffers, but display them as grave 
> accent and apostrophe if curved quotes are not displayable.  I'd prefer that 
> approach too, though I expect Alan would not (otherwise why introduce 
> text-quoting-style?).

Given the controversy this generated, and few distinct flavors of what
people like or dislike about it, I think it's only prudent to have
this customizable.  Once Emacs 25 is released, we can see from user
feedback more clearly where do winds blow, and then decide whether
this option should be kept or modified in some sense.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-28  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-28  2:03 text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28  5:22 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-08-28  7:06 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  7:37   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-08-28  7:54     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  8:42       ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 14:39         ` text-quoting-style Yuri Khan
2015-08-28 14:49           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:00         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:31           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:39             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 15:48               ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  7:29 ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:42   ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 17:25     ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-28 17:48       ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-28 18:28         ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-29 14:54       ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 15:59         ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-30  1:59           ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 13:16             ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31  1:30               ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31  6:29                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 20:13                   ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 21:29                     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 12:47                       ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:27                         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:07                           ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 18:35                           ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 23:58                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  9:09                               ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 15:13                                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:44                           ` text-quoting-style Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01 19:08                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 13:46                       ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 16:28                         ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 17:08                           ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-01 17:34                             ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 18:30                               ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  0:07                                 ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:27                                   ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02 15:35                               ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-08-31 20:01                 ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01  3:31                   ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01  9:28                     ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 10:53                       ` text-quoting-style Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 13:03                     ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-01 16:46                       ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 20:41                         ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-01 23:47                           ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:18                             ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  0:35                               ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  0:53                                 ` text-quoting-style David Kastrup
2015-09-02  6:57                             ` text-quoting-style Bastien
2015-09-02 15:17                               ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:36                                 ` text-quoting-style Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41                                 ` text-quoting-style Bastien Guerry
2015-09-01 22:55                     ` text-quoting-style Richard Stallman
2015-09-02  9:05                       ` text-quoting-style Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-31 16:10       ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-08-31 17:31         ` text-quoting-style Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 19:34           ` text-quoting-style N. Jackson
2015-09-03 15:29             ` text-quoting-style raman
2015-08-31  6:15     ` text-quoting-style Paul Eggert

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