From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote. Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:09:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83pp08e2jx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <87fv15gybo.fsf@T420.taylan> <20151020.214835.278236566.wl@gnu.org> <877fmhgtcx.fsf@T420.taylan> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445436626 11025 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2015 14:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FK?= =?utf-8?Q?ammer?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 21 16:10:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zou5l-0007RE-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:10:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51774 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zou5k-0000T7-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46003) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zou5b-0000Sc-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zou5X-0007Gv-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:47325) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zou5X-0007Gf-5x; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:09:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWK00B00PGFR700@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:09:15 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWK00BYFPZEJP50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:09:15 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <877fmhgtcx.fsf@T420.taylan> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192280 Archived-At: > From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kamm= er) > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:47:26 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > Thanks for your concern, and I agree it seems weird to think that t= he > problem is in such experienced developers, but (genuinely without a= ny > intention of sarcasm in this sentence) I know that I'm not delusion= al or > anything of that sort, and a fairly simple and well-defined change = I > requested seems to not have been understood after having explained = it > many times, often with very careful and detailed wording, and the o= nly > thing I can conclude from that is that I'm simply not being listene= d to. There's no reason for you to assume such ill will around here. A muc= h simpler explanation of what happened is that you were listened to and heard, and we simply disagreed with your arguments, due to difference= s in experience and perspective. > What also gives me a bit of confidence is that I know at least two = also > *very* experienced Emacs/Elisp developers, long-timers of the GNU a= nd > Emacs communities, who have express a deep disdain towards emacs-de= vel. If there are indeed such people, I encourage them to come here and speak up for themselves. Given the history of this thread, I'm not a= t all sure we should hear their concerns through intermediaries. Changes in leadership are a good time to try to make our procedures and conduct better, so now is a good time for them to speak up.