From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: <83pozgjnry.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vb98csu1.fsf@red-bean.com> <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com> <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447272989 4428 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 20:16:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 21:16:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwboV-0005Le-A2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:16:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42751 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwboV-0001A3-DI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwboE-00017p-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:16:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwbnu-00067Q-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:40424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwbnu-000678-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:38 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXO00A002E0S900@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:15:37 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXO00A8U2XZT810@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:15:36 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194132 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Karl Fogel , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:34 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > People who don't like electric-indent-mode can just turn it off, can't they? > > Why argue about defaults when they can be so easily changed? > > This is more about people who want to use electric-indent-mode, but don't want > it changing previous defaults in a way that doesn't seem to be related to > electric-indent-mode. Having the cake and eating it, too? I'd love that! But it isn't always possible. > I can imagine a new user experiencing this and having no clue that > electric-indent-mode is the reason: Because it is enabled by default for them > in 25.1 -- they never consciously turned it on to notice the difference in > behavior -- so they wouldn't know it's coming from that source. New users don't have past experience with Emacs, so they won't know there's something here that wasn't so before. > Why is something like this being enabled by default, again? Or did I misread? > I would expect any kind of automated behavior like this to be opt-in. You are welcome to re-reading the past discussions about electric-indent-mode. Good luck keeping your sanity while at that ;-)