From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 20:03:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83pot0h1xh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3ba077a2-21e0-9799-4f8b-c07bd1623853@yandex.ru>>> <6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default>>> <831t5hkg6x.fsf@gnu.org>>> <7da95e19-50ff-4ca5-a5b8-2a7f65c2a7cd@default>> <83oa8liz53.fsf@gnu.org>> <9565500b-a35d-4de1-922d-c0131ff35ff8@default> <6f8f0880-95ea-4a8c-a193-8d7781a67375@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462467947 19098 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2016 17:05:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de, kaushal.modi@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 05 19:05:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMiR-0003Dz-SJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 19:05:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54482 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMiN-0004Fk-Vt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50797) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMiE-00042s-7v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMi1-0000wa-ME for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:05:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:56415) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMi1-0000uP-Iq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMhy-0008Gt-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 17:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.146246789631781 (code B ref 23426); Thu, 05 May 2016 17:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2016 17:04:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMho-0008GT-Vl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMhn-0008GH-Jp for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMhY-0000lK-Mt for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMgp-0000Rs-Vx; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:03:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3662 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ayMgh-00016o-HC; Thu, 05 May 2016 13:03:43 -0400 In-reply-to: <6f8f0880-95ea-4a8c-a193-8d7781a67375@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117857 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, > heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de, kaushal.modi@gmail.com > > I asked only that `A' and `Q' be left bound to their commands (which > are still available). As I said, if those bindings were not being > co-opted immediately then I would have had nothing to say here. > > I've heard no reason why different bindings, instead, are not given > to the new search and search-and-replace features, at least as long > as the original commands are supported. No reason, that is, beyond > the statement that the ultimate aim is to replace the older commands. You did hear the reasons. I have now repeated them in a previous message. > I spoke up here when I guessed that some users of `A' and `Q' today > would be unable to use them tomorrow, without installing some > non-Emacs software. Those same users will have to download and install Emacs itself, and most probably also download and install the new versions of support libraries (which are distributed separately). Why doing that is any different from installing Grep and Findutils (which, btw, are available from the same site as those optional libraries), is unclear to me. Installing GNU tools on Windows always required a certain amount of "tinkering", so let's trust our Windows users a bit more that they are not too inept, okay? Heck, we don't even know how many Emacs users on MS-Windows out there don't _already_ have those packages installed. (My guess: zero.) We also don't know how many Windows users actually know or care about these two specific Dired commands. (My guess: not too many.) > Is it possible to welcome the new commands but point out disagreement > with their being assigned the keys `A' and `Q'? Yes, it is. But the style of doing that matters. Try assuming that the reasons for the decisions with which you disagree are not "rush", or ineptitude, or lack of understanding of basic UI design. You complain about sarcasm, but have you considered the flood of sarcasm that you repeatedly pour on us?