From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Separate area at the top for a serious tab bar Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:49:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83po0esyzh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <376678535.4221832.1529478419186.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <376678535.4221832.1529478419186@mail.yahoo.com> <87bmbz8o9f.fsf@gmail.com> <16868055.1966258.1529907863571@mail.yahoo.com> <87a7rjw6zj.fsf@mbork.pl> <406844585.2241039.1529922018350@mail.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1529938058 16243 195.159.176.226 (25 Jun 2018 14:47:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:47:38 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 25 16:47:34 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSmE-00048C-As for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:47:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47544 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSoJ-0001BZ-UA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:49:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSnn-0001BH-OA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:49:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSnj-0001Xa-43 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSni-0001XQ-VI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1625 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fXSni-0004ai-DD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:49:06 -0400 In-reply-to: <406844585.2241039.1529922018350@mail.yahoo.com> (rdiezmail-emacs@yahoo.de) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117278 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:20:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: "R. Diez" > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" , > Jay Kamat > > > Though I understand the "positional orientation" idea. > > This is a personal preference. Many people thrive in chaos. Other must have a tidy desktop. There is nothing wrong per se with each way. > > A tabbar does not preclude other buffer switching methods. I often have many buffers open. But I tend to keep the "local context" (the tabs that are visible right now) sorted (.h left from .cpp and so on). > > There is a tabbar in Firefox. There is one in most desktop environments (Windows, Xfce, KDE...). There will always be people and scenarios where a tabbar is the right approach, even in Emacs. > > I would not underestimate this kind of usability matter. It may well be one of the biggest factors driving people away from Emacs. It could even be a necessary evil until most people learn to do away with the tabbar. Humans are just like that. FWIW, I consider tabbar to be in the same class as line numbers: while not really an Emacs'y thing, at least not for us veteran curmudgeons, they are very popular in some quarters, and if we want to make those people happy, we should have them. I also think this kind of feature needs support in the display engine; anything else will always look like a hacky band-aid. Volunteers are welcome to work on that.