From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35739: Bad signature from GNU ELPA Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 22:43:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83pno74ozv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mujog0ao.fsf@gmail.com> <835zqca15y.fsf@gnu.org> <83woir92vl.fsf@gnu.org> <83o93v83si.fsf@gnu.org> <83muje76wa.fsf@gnu.org> <83k1eh7rtj.fsf@gnu.org> <838sux7owx.fsf@gnu.org> <8336l56yuy.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhnb5238.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="73162"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: rcopley@gmail.com, 35739@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 21:44:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6t-000IsV-Df for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 21:44:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59359 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6s-0006B7-17 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6l-0006Aq-ER for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:44:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6k-0004iD-HV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6j-0004hn-Tk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6j-0002Ik-N6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:44:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 19:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35739.15587270398830 (code B ref 35739); Fri, 24 May 2019 19:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2019 19:43:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6g-0002IL-RL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:43:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6f-0002I7-4I for 35739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45803) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6Z-0004aZ-OL; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4700 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hUG6Z-0007Ca-7E; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:43:51 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 24 May 2019 15:31:42 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159729 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: rcopley@gmail.com, 35739@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 15:31:42 -0400 > > > And why is that relevant to the issue at hand, which is not to make > > backward-incompatible changes in existing APIs? > > I consider myself fairly well versed in Emacs's coding systems. Yet, > I don't know what decoding text into a unibyte buffer will do and can't > find any doc that describes it. > > I such a context, I think preserving such a behavior is harmful in the > long term because it will keep fundamentally buggy code half-working > and keep spreading confusion about how coding systems work and people > copy&pasting broken code. > > In the long term, I think we're better off introducing limited > breakage where it leads to clearer errors that help clear up such > confusions and fix bugs. I disagree. This stuff worked for decades, and breaking it only because it is under-documented is not a good idea. I'm okay with documenting what that produces somewhere, but not with breaking it.