From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45806: 26.3; `menu-bar-separator' Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:04:34 +0200 Message-ID: <83pn2adwn1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <73e90890-b70a-4eb8-aa9e-d40959d1e1ec@default> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25186"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 45806@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 12 16:09:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLIN-0006QB-Lf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:09:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34970 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLIM-0004vD-Ga for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:09:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58314) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLEE-0000Lp-9M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLEE-0007dI-1K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLED-00040o-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:05:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45806 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 45806-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45806.161046387115363 (code B ref 45806); Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45806) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2021 15:04:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32818 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLDi-0003zj-Qn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:04:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLDg-0003zV-RT for 45806@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:04:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLDb-0007QM-5n; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:04:23 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1920 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kzLDY-0007MD-OB; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:04:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <73e90890-b70a-4eb8-aa9e-d40959d1e1ec@default> (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:32:31 -0800 (PST)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197793 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:32:31 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > This variable (defconst) doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. It has a doc string, and if you look at its usage, this is all you'll ever need. > It seems to be used for menus in general; it doesn't seem to be tied to > the menu-bar in any way. And its only doc is the doc string, which says > only "Separator for menus." Could it be renamed to remove any mention > of the menu-bar (keeping the old name as alias)? Sorry, this name is with us for too long to rename it now. > How is it actually used? Is it used only in (some?) toolkits? Look at menu-bar.el (obviously), it's used all over there. On all the toolkits and also in no-toolkit builds. > It's a defconst (why?), so presumably you shouldn't change it. But > changing it doesn't seem to have any effect anyway, in MS Windows. If > this is hard-coded then why is it even needed? See above. If you really want to see the effect of changing it (why?), I think you will need to rebuild Emacs.