From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: gregory@heytings.org, rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com,
help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:12:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83pn14e8zs.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YCbkco6XWJoZ3pMB@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:26:26 +0300)
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:26:26 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
> Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>
> So Emacs could decide to ignore the shell job control
C-z in Emacs doesn't invoke job control, it invokes an Emacs command
that _emulates_ job control by sending the SIGTSTP signal to the Emacs
process (if the underlying platform supports suspending; otherwise it
invokes a subsidiary shell). The "real" job control is disabled when
you enter Emacs, by virtue of the keyboard input setup Emacs does at
startup.
So please don't assume C-z is some shell job control magic; it isn't.
This is Emacs emulating that magic, because we decided long ago to do
that. Arguing that Emacs does it because the underlying shell does it
is therefore counter-productive.
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2021-02-10 1:50 ` no job control in this shell (was: Proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users) Skip Montanaro
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2021-02-10 10:49 ` Proposal: "C-z <letter>" reserved for users Jean Louis
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2021-02-09 5:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-02-09 6:41 ` not good proposal: " Jean Louis
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