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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Add a configure option for NATIVE_FULL_AOT?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:45:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83pmua50jd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210818133233.GA3470@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de)

> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:32:33 +0200
> From: tomas@tuxteam.de
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > They can, and they do.  See native-comp-eln-load-path.  Assuming I
> > understood correctly what bothers you.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> I think you do. Well, I'm quite certain :)
> 
> Then what would prevent a distribution from distributing their .eln
> files to go somewhere in /usr/lib/emacs.../<version>/..., to be
> overriden by the user when needed?

I don't think I understand.  load-path is used for only one purpose:
finding Lisp files you want to load.  It is not used to decide where
to _write_ *.elc files.  The same with native-comp-eln-load-path (but
see below).  So how can this variable solve the problem at hand, which
is where to store *.eln files produced by compilation?

We actually do use native-comp-eln-load-path to also decide where to
store the *.eln files, but that uses a simplistic heuristic that
treats the last element of the list specially.  The heuristic is
hard-coded in several places, so not easily overridden.

> I've been following the native compilation threads with quite some
> excitement, but I'm sure I haven't digested many "interesting"
> details :)

"Interesting" as in the infamous Chinese curse?

It's those "interesting" details that bother me: I needed to think
about them and discuss them with Andrea many times over the last
months, and in many cases the issue was put to rest by considering the
JIT scenario.  I don't know what would have happened if we considered
the AOT scenario as seriously as people want us to do now.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-18 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-17  8:53 Add a configure option for NATIVE_FULL_AOT? Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-17 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 11:56   ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-17 12:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-17 13:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 14:44         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-17 12:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 13:07       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-17 15:32       ` Yuri D'Elia
2021-08-17 17:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 17:12           ` Yuri D'Elia
2021-08-17 18:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 18:33           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-17 18:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 18:46               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-17 19:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 19:05                   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-17 19:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 19:36               ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-18  0:48                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-18  7:29                   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-18 15:43                     ` Yuri D'Elia
2021-08-19  0:57                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-19  7:04                         ` tomas
2021-08-19 21:17                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-20  7:20                             ` tomas
2021-08-20 12:06                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-20 13:13                                 ` tomas
2021-08-20 19:51                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-20 20:06                                     ` tomas
2021-08-20 21:25                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-21  6:44                                         ` tomas
2021-08-21 18:20                                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-19  7:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 21:01                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-18  2:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18  4:53                   ` Tassilo Horn
2021-08-18 12:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  2:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-19  6:30                         ` tomas
2021-08-19  7:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  7:17                           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-19  7:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  7:27                           ` tomas
2021-08-19  8:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 10:05                               ` tomas
2021-08-19 10:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 12:49                                   ` tomas
2021-08-19 12:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 13:09                                       ` tomas
2021-08-18  7:04                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-18 12:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18  7:33                   ` tomas
2021-08-18 12:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 13:32                       ` tomas
2021-08-18 13:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-08-18 16:22                           ` tomas
2021-08-18 16:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 16:34                               ` tomas
2021-08-18 16:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 16:56                                   ` tomas
2021-08-18 17:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 16:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-18 17:00                               ` tomas
2021-08-18 17:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 17:34                                   ` tomas
2021-08-18 19:43                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-08-19  1:19                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-19  7:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  8:01                                         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-08-18 17:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 19:44                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-08-19  7:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  7:52                                     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-08-18 14:11           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-08-18 15:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 19:13           ` Gunnar Horrigmo
2021-08-18 19:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20  8:22               ` Gunnar Horrigmo
2021-08-20 10:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 13:06                   ` Gunnar Horrigmo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-17 16:03 Tom Gillespie
2021-08-17 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-17 21:52   ` Tom Gillespie
2021-08-18 12:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18  0:33 ` Arthur Miller

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