From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:34:20 +0300 Message-ID: <83pmt790cz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20210912165141.9491.52637@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210912165143.5BC1E20A5E@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <47d6e9a6-f334-eda9-2e08-0a946e51fc4a@yandex.ru> <83v934emk7.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfy8d7oo.fsf@gnus.org> <9194fc93-fb9c-000f-a35a-321ddd259893@gmx.at> <8735q5yi63.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czp9by3s.fsf@gnu.org> <05cbffe0-f89b-ff54-64f5-cd1d11bac4f5@yandex.ru> <831r5pbt7j.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnnhacy4.fsf@gnu.org> <40937e22-994f-466c-87be-4f70a522118a@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2786"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 17 08:35:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mR7TM-0000Tx-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:35:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57470 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mR7TK-0001Nh-2F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:35:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mR7SQ-0000gA-37 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:34:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51616) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mR7SM-00069h-Lb; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:34:42 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1317 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mR7SG-0000Ih-GS; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:34:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:16:53 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274840 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, eliz@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, > juri@linkov.net, rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:16:53 -0400 > > > - We declare `...' as the official style. This matches the historical > > use, so it requires no changes, AFAIK (other than reverting Eli's > > commit, obviously). > > That IS the official style, in Emacs Lisp files, and we should not > change that. We should use `...' in comments. We've decided to change that style. It makes no sense for a project to back out its decisions so quickly, when the only reason is that some people don't like the decision. They didn't like it when the decision was made, either (heck, I didn't like it too much as well), so there's nothing new here that requires to go back. We are past that decision point, and many texts were meanwhile written using this style. > Text files (whether Text mode or some other mode) are a different > issue. No, they aren't. When I write plain text, I don't want to remember what file I'm writing it in, and neither should anyone else. Again, we've had this discussion. It was a long and painful one, and we emerged from it with a decision. If we want to be a functional project, we should follow our own decisions, even if they are sometimes unusual or require re-learning some simple stuff. We have many examples of such decisions, this is just one of them. If people are going to revolt because they disagree with decisions like that, where will that take us? E.g., I dislike the decision to remove facemenu and its useful (for me) key bindings: should I now start a lobbying thread explaining time and again why that should be reverted? There's no end to this, and it is not a reasonable way to manage the project development. > Still, I think we should make highlighting give correct results for > files that use `...' as well as for files that use '...'. That is already so, primarily because we are not going to convert the quoting style en masse any time soon. The issue at hand is what to use for NEW comments and comments that we modify anyway.