From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:51:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83pmampwj8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <83sffipxn8.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmam7nqj.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21466"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 06 17:52:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4j6-0005Pa-2o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 17:52:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4ir-0001DY-98; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:52:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4ip-0001DD-6u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:52:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4io-0005b6-VU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4io-0005oX-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:52:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167570227822289 (code B ref 61325); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 16:51:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4i6-0005nQ-6C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4i4-0005nA-NO for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:51:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4hz-0005Vf-D6; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:51:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hFFGZyV6g8jUj3fMDQRBhwgtAQP9fLSy+dDl0iMs+Cc=; b=REOjIzOo1E2X vAAiVGpA+Ud7KJ36CzxBi/RReiBGGGvAaAayqOa3IBonnlJzMO/mJ9nIjzdi6nikvKJOn4EyaaYnE MrCZ5qpLFKoW5j3BgQ/i4G2zAN1b226nc/p0bUdosnP+Z5b23sKIr30Qff8bwi4SXTudh1Pu9iaFb frsiPVaL5ndE5LsGOmxw4fOCR+R9POI8IaLOHwZLERfUUfuEPXjCF3PMwhGmBNDB3HNG84LM4lXkp rXGaohktq84PjjPc1HDklaGTNYSNFkYpTon0CBaaayVM7YoM8lkQu9Bg2Amch1hPxkyJKAt7QYPxl QmsL6J7PcEGUWs4Iut1vzw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4hy-0000BZ-6l; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:51:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87pmam7nqj.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:38:44 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:254979 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:38:44 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I object jokes that make people feel uncomfortable. > > > > It's a losing battle, but: every joke makes someone uncomfortable. > > The only way of making no one uncomfortable is to never joke, and what > > a sad world would that be! (Come to think about, the only way to > > never make someone uncomfortable is to say nothing at all.) > > You are overgeneralizing. > Some jokes make larger fraction of people uncomfortable than others. > There should be a borderline. > > Of course, drawing a line is tricky. However, the topics like sex and > bullying are considered uncomfortable by whole cultures, not just > individuals. I judge such jokes as over the border. > > For comparison, AFAIU, joking around skin colour and race is considered > more insulting than joking around sex. In other cultures, the situation > is opposite. Would you accept joking around human races on Emacs > manuals? Who is overgeneralizing now? Are there such jokes in our manuals?