From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:56:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83pm1bm4eg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83fs3dgxv8.fsf@gnu.org> <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <8734y7p7sz.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83v8b3mcuj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg0fnqa0.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30128"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 19 09:57:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qtNu7-0007bt-0u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:57:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtNtj-00089P-JR; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtNth-000899-Ld for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtNtg-0002Yv-In; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:56:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=SKA3Zgf/jttaHqoulyBITlBTohCmRhMm2ToU5IllUd8=; b=PShUT38FtXfH qYHTjhV9W2qcSqopx8szDos2Q+8MDN906sbtGwk0dSe+ibSt8Pawn6glHWJFlmj7atAKed1qBkoYb EJSFxcSWOlnV2AW4GveDHC2eRqMc5KSX1D7QRNL/Of6C3SHiwrQ/X7gpC4NXysYnx6TIAiMDAZeo7 /mTSulk6Wy8EcZDXUKx0AkplqV7/fOaZfcoaDZ6yLLznbRxs5TZSxHdImBODr8r5PgjbSiqe9jhuF KuT5S0E4lky/M/HuIaxdnavnsYWq6FeUEl+9+qLnV/YIa2PNAw0XEuYaXJjjptynzy9mO4tJnY1lx vgtZiauK47NDc8tGc6p6dg==; In-Reply-To: <87zg0fnqa0.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:18:47 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311580 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:18:47 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > (featurep 'cl-lib) => nil > > > > both in GUI and TTY (i.e. -nw) sessions. > > > > So if cl-lib is loaded at startup, Emacs does that because > > of some user customizations, not by default. > > It is the debugger. Then that's fine, as the debugger is not normally loaded in a production session.