From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#7517: 24.0.50; repeated crash under Mac OS X Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83oc80q1k4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tyic1uzh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87vd2dyzfj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D1B22A1.6080202@swipnet.se> <4D1B27AF.7010701@swipnet.se> <4D1C6E7D.2040300@swipnet.se> <4D1D0172.8080404@swipnet.se> <4D1DB555.5080002@swipnet.se> <4D1DBD4A.6010303@swipnet.se> <83d3oiaysj.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1DD655.1040809@swipnet.se> <83aajmaxme.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1E5987.2000502@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293882961 9109 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2011 11:56:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, user.emacs@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 7517@debbugs.gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 01 12:55:56 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ03r-0003wi-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:55:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50503 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ03q-0001UJ-Qd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:55:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42076 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ03l-0001UE-Ej for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:55:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ03j-0002Aw-Ns for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:55:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:57848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ03j-0002As-GA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:55:43 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEC00I00ED53E00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:55:11 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.219.104]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEC00HNIEFT2GD0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:55:10 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134106 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: emacs user , Eli Zaretskii , 7517@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Uday S. Reddy" > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:07:22 -0500 > > I'd tend to agree. ENCODE_UTF_8 is used for things where we *really* > want the output to be proper utf-8, so any char outside of utf-8 > (e.g. an eight-bit char) should result in something else than a raw byte > in the output. The only thing it can do is output the replacement character U+FFFD, or `?', or characters in the range U+DC80..U+DCFF. I tend to think that `?' is the best alternative. > This is contrary to what we do for utf-8 files So we should have a different encoding symbol for these two variants. I still maintain that VM should do better in this case. I don't think we have a clear idea of what happened in this particular crash, so perhaps is too soon to forget about VM's part.