From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: feature request: horizontal scroll bar Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:56:34 +0300 Message-ID: <83obne9ya5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <64fa8a68-d45d-4b55-82bc-54aa9ef1cfef@googlegroups.com> <806fde83-0685-44be-a28d-30eef6af252a@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342540647 15074 80.91.229.3 (17 Jul 2012 15:57:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:57:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 17 17:57:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SrA9N-0008SR-MV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:57:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45358 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrA9M-000480-Vo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrA9D-000476-8K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:57:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrA97-0004M3-B1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrA97-0004Lo-2L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7B00K00AVP3K00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:56:25 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7B00JDMAY1HIC0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:56:25 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <806fde83-0685-44be-a28d-30eef6af252a@googlegroups.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85906 Archived-At: > From: Ulrich Scholz > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:00:29 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > Am Montag, 16. Juli 2012 18:02:08 UTC+2 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: > > > ??? What's wrong with automatic horizontal scrolling that Emacs > > provides by default (and which kicks in as soon as you truncate-lines > > to a non-nil value)? > > Three things > > 1) A horizontal scroll bar gives a visual feedback of where you are. I have very wide files with empty spots. You can get lost. > > 2) Scroll bars allow to move the visual ara without moving the cursor. (Ok, that migth be achievable with keys, too.) > > 3) Scroll bars are good for going far in large files. Well, 90% of navigation consists of short distances in small files. But for the remaining 10%, scroll bars are much better. You carefully snipped the part to which I was replying. I didn't mean to claim that auto-hscroll mode makes horizontal scroll bar redundant. I meant to say that it should be better than switching to a different editor.