From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13007: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:08:59 +0200 Message-ID: <83obiguvr8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9FE4F131C0C94FC79470495A8506A387@us.oracle.com> <83k3t7xemd.fsf@gnu.org> <50B4EF28.6040905@yandex.ru> <834nkbx7if.fsf@gnu.org> <50B5BB01.2070304@yandex.ru> <50B63309.1070404@yandex.ru> <838v9lwqvn.fsf@gnu.org> <50B6FE89.20304@yandex.ru> <83txs8uzkc.fsf@gnu.org> <1865DC8EC71E4B78B074A727C299C875@us.oracle.com> <83r4ncux4i.fsf@gnu.org> <21A6DF1FEE8B411C86C172191120B2BE@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354212554 18532 80.91.229.3 (29 Nov 2012 18:09:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13007@debbugs.gnu.org, lekktu@gmail.com, dmantipov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 29 19:09:25 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Y6-0005x2-C7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:09:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49789 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Xu-0002y3-Gj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:09:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39903) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Xr-0002xv-IM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:09:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Xl-0006GQ-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:09:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35247) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Xl-0006GM-26 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:09:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8Zh-0007AY-T5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:11:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13007 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13007-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13007.135421264927538 (code B ref 13007); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13007) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2012 18:10:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45498 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8ZV-0007A6-7H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:10:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:39515) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Te8ZT-00079z-44 for 13007@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:10:47 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0ME900800GZHWY00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13007@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:08:39 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0ME9008ZCH2EAPF0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:08:38 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <21A6DF1FEE8B411C86C172191120B2BE@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67594 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <13007@debbugs.gnu.org>, > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:47:21 -0800 > > > It's the same bug, in the sense that the same assertion is violated. > > But they are 2 different ways of triggering that violation, because > > the call to the faulty function comes from 2 different places (as > > evidenced by the backtrace) and the buffer that is not the current one > > is different in these two cases (*scratch* for Juanma, minibuffer for > > you). > > Don't you think that by understanding Juanma's case you will understand ways, in > general, that the assertion can be violated? There is no "general" here, just a lot of different use-cases. > If we have already seen more than one way, as you say, that seems like a good > hint that the assertion itself might be flawed: the wrong assertion. It > suggests to me that the assertion does not understand what it should be > expecting, and it has too narrow a view of things. Yes, that part is clear, and therefore the assertion was removed from the trunk. But we are trying to figure out with what to replace it, and for that, we need as many use-cases that violate it as possible.