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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 19466@debbugs.gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: bug#19466: 25.0.50; xref-find-def doesn't find C functions
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 23:34:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83oapprxki.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4mrhtd8j.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  eller.helmut@gmail.com,  19466@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:15:49 -0500
> 
> >> If xref can reliably deduce that I switched projects and automatically
> >> update its database, that's fine with me, and would probably
> >> constitute what you mean by "dependence on the current file or
> >> project".
> 
> Right, ideally that's what tags.el should do: it should associate
> a "file-system area" to each TAGS file; so it can know automatically
> which TAGS file to use based on default-directory.

It does (try "M-x visit-tags-table" and you will see that the default
it suggests is like you say).  It just doesn't automatically load
TAGS, because the fact that I am in some buffer doesn't yet mean that
I'm working on that buffer's project and need its TAGS.

> Whether it then keeps several TAGS file opened at the same time, or
> whether it only keeps a single-one-at-a-time (and reloads the other
> when you move to a buffer that belongs to a different project) is just
> an implementation detail.

The important part is that it allows me to keep or discard portions of
the tags table.  _That_ is certainly NOT an implementation detail.

> >> Take, for example, the use case where I'm testing a program and found
> >> a bug.  I then need to be able to quickly find and examine the
> >> definition of symbols that might be involved in the bug, look at their
> >> code, perhaps make some changes -- this all will be served well by
> >> using the database (such as TAGS) of that single program.  But suppose
> >> I now come to the conclusion that the bug is not in the program per
> >> se, but involves one of the external libraries it uses.  Now I need to
> >> go through the sources of that library (whose sources, by sheer luck
> >> or maybe something else, I already have available on my system).  How
> >> would xref or etags know whether I switched to that library as part of
> >> my previous work (and therefore still need access to the previous
> >> project's symbols), or because I'm now working on an entirely
> >> different project?
> 
> It wouldn't and it would only give you access to the identifiers of the
> project to which the current-buffer belongs.  So if you use M-. from
> a file in the buggy library it's use the TAGS file of that library, and
> if you then go to a different buffer belonging to your program and use
> M-. xref should then use the TAGS file of that program.  I.e. you tell
> Emacs which TAGS file to use by selecting an appropriate buffer before
> you hit M-.

So you are saying that when I'm in some buffer, I cannot look at some
of the identifiers until I switch to another buffer?  That's very
inconvenient.  Again, when I work on a problem that happens between a
program and a library, I need to see both sides of the interface at
the same time, independently of which buffer I am in.  Conceptually,
the set of identifiers that are relevant to me in this situation is
the union of both projects, and I should be able to find any
identifier from this union no matter which buffer is the current one.





  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-23 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-29 19:27 bug#19466: 25.0.50; xref-find-def doesn't find C functions Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-30  4:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-30 15:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-30 18:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-30 18:25       ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-30 18:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-30 18:38           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-30 22:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-02 17:52             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-04 20:10               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-04 20:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-04 23:14                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-05  3:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-05  6:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-16  3:37                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-16  7:47                         ` martin rudalics
2015-01-16  9:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-16  9:28                             ` martin rudalics
2015-01-19  3:31                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-19  8:28                             ` martin rudalics
2015-01-19 13:32                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-20  8:01                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-01-20 12:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-20 14:51                                     ` martin rudalics
2015-01-21  7:20                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-21 10:49                                         ` martin rudalics
2015-01-21 14:24                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-21 16:54                                             ` martin rudalics
2015-01-21 18:00                                               ` martin rudalics
2015-01-21 20:02                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22  2:32                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-22 18:22                                                   ` martin rudalics
2015-01-21 19:02                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-22  2:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-22 18:22                                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-01-19 17:41                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-20  2:54                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-20 17:24                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-20 20:49                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-21 16:25                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-22  2:43                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-22 18:02                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-22 21:02                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-23  9:03                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-23 17:34                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-23 21:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-23 22:23                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-24  9:40                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 16:47                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-31  8:52                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01  2:24                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-02-01 16:01                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 20:11                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-02-01 20:30                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 20:53                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-02-02  3:32                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-23  2:01                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-24 18:43                                                         ` Project support and completions (Was: Re: bug#19466: 25.0.50; xref-find-def doesn't find C functions) Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-24 22:26                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 23:25                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-25  0:21                                                               ` John Yates
2015-01-25 16:09                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29 21:19                                                                   ` John Yates
2015-01-30  6:19                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 13:39                                                                       ` John Yates
2015-01-30 15:36                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 18:14                                                                           ` Project support and completions Stefan Monnier
2015-01-30 21:34                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31  6:37                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-31  7:38                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 22:52                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-01 20:42                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-01-30 16:17                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-30 16:26                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 20:36                                                                         ` Scott Frazer
2015-01-25 16:08                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25 18:18                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-25 19:22                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25 23:03                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-26  5:51                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25 18:31                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-01-25 15:01                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-25 16:01                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25 18:33                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-25 19:24                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25 22:43                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-25 23:05                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-26  3:46                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-26  4:23                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-01-26 15:07                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-26 17:33                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-26 18:51                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-01-26  5:44                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-26 15:11                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-26 17:34                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-23 21:15                                                   ` bug#19466: 25.0.50; xref-find-def doesn't find C functions Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 21:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-01-16  9:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-04 22:14                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-30 20:43     ` Dmitry Gutov

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