From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 19:08:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83oa8liz53.fsf@gnu.org> References: < <3ba077a2-21e0-9799-4f8b-c07bd1623853@yandex.ru>> <<6a4860bb-2b39-4da4-b2a7-7b8d15211fee@default>> <<831t5hkg6x.fsf@gnu.org>> <7da95e19-50ff-4ca5-a5b8-2a7f65c2a7cd@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462378241 18637 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 16:10:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de, kaushal.modi@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 18:10:30 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNd-0006Kx-Rs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:10:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNZ-0006dE-TV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:10:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60747) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNR-0006No-2U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:10:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNF-00064L-BJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNF-00063a-7W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzNB-0000Z7-NY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:10:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.14623781692131 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 16:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:09:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzMb-0000YF-Gu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41277) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzMZ-0000Xw-Qa for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:09:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzMK-0005pB-8J for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:09:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51035) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzM9-0005mA-7V; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2238 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axzM0-0007Gp-61; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:08:48 -0400 In-reply-to: <7da95e19-50ff-4ca5-a5b8-2a7f65c2a7cd@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117759 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, > heinz@h-rommerskirchen.de > > > > The "new" is clearly not a sufficient replacement for the "old". > > > It should have been (should be) added only as an opt-in option, > > > not imposed as replacement. > > > > We obviously disagree. > > How can the new be considered a sufficient replacement, if it > means that `A' and `Q' no longer work for users without `grep' > or `find'? We obviously don't consider that such a serious obstacle, and the commands are not popular enough for that to be an issue. > > And that ship has sailed long ago, btw. > > When did it sail? When it was decided to replace tags-* commands with xref-* commands, about a year ago, I'd say, maybe more. > This change is not present in any Emacs release AFAIK. I don't see how this fact is relevant. The discussions were held here and on emacs-devel, with you and others reading it. > > You were here all that time, so I don't understand why you raise > > this only now. > > Dunno what you mean by "here". Here on this mailing list. > This is the first I've learned of this feature and the fact that it > requires users to install `grep' and `find' commands to use `A' and > `Q' in Dired. May I suggest to pay more attention to on-going discussions in the future? > Had you simply _added_ this feature and not usurped the existing > bindings, you would likely have heard nothing from me about this. These commands were introduced with the explicit intent to replace the old ones as 'A' and 'Q' bindings, so that tags-loop-continue would not be needed anymore. Again, the discussions about that were all held here, for quite a few moons.