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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 23785@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23785: Emacs 25: "Undo" overdoes things.
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83oa6zbmvd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160617174535.GD3316@acm.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:45:35 +0000)

> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:45:35 +0000
> Cc: 23785@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> 
> > > 1. emacs -Q
> > > 2. C-x C-f decls-6.cc    ; file is attached.
> > > 3. Move point to BOL 17.
> > > 4. C-o, and insert the line "Type var = init;".  Call this line 16½.
> > > 5. M-x revert-buffer.
> > > 6. Move point to "[" on L16, and use C-M-k to delete "[3 * peq]".
> > > 7. C-_.  This restores "[3 * peq]" (correctly) but also reinserts line
> > >    16½ (which is a bug).
> 
> > Why does this minor issue deserve to declare 'undo' "broken"?  Looks
> > like an exaggeration to me.
> 
> I don't think it's all that minor an issue.

You are being unreasonably subjective on this one.

> `undo' can no longer be depended upon to restore a buffer to its
> unchanged state.

Undo is about undoing changes, and it is documented to lump several
changes together in some situations.  So your expectations are
unreasonably unrealistic to begin with.

> Each buffer changing command is meant to have its own undo boundary
> (with the exception of self-insert-command and the single character
> deleting command).

I don't think this is true, and in any case see no big difference
between several commands each deleting one character and a single
command deleting several characters at once.

> I think there's a case to be made for fixing this bug for Emacs 25.1.

It depends on what the fix will look like.  If it's simple and safe
enough, I'll agree.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-17 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-17 15:02 bug#23785: Emacs 25: "Undo" overdoes things Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-17 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-17 17:45   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-17 20:07     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-06-17 21:47       ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-18  4:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18  7:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-18 18:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18 19:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-18 19:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-19 22:45                 ` bug#23785: Emacs 25: 'Undo' " Phillip Lord
2016-06-20  0:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-20 12:47                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-20 14:04                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-20 15:03                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-20 15:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-20 17:12                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-21 13:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 14:30                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-21 21:25                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-21 22:08                           ` Phillip Lord
2020-09-04 14:03                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-05 13:15                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-21 13:18                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 14:29                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-21 16:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-17 21:23     ` bug#23785: Emacs 25: "Undo" " Phillip Lord
2016-06-18 17:41       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-17 21:49     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-06-20 12:33       ` Phillip Lord

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