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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Should records be able to mimic primitive types?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:22:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83o9tt3yu4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvtw3lxhnu.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:15:35 -0400)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:15:35 -0400
> 
> > If some usage is unequivocally wrong, can never support legitimate use
> > cases, and the defenses are not too expensive, then I think this could
> > be okay.  But we need to be careful not to disallow legitimate, though
> > perhaps somewhat dangerous practices.  Emacs's tradition is to trust
> > the Lisp programmers not to shoot themselves in the foot, so we
> > generally prefer to err on that side of the line, when in doubt.
> > Punishing the innocent on behalf of possibly guilty is something I
> > think we should try to avoid.
> 
> I think the kind of added checks he's thinking of are "safe" in
> this respect.
> 
> The reason why I disagree with them is because they are too costly
> compared to the likelihood they'll ever help catch a bug

That'd be in the "defenses are too expensive" department, right?

> We generally don't check every imaginable meaningless circumstance, but
> only those that we've found to occur often enough to warrant the runtime
> and maintenance cost of an extra test.

Right.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-12 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-04 22:00 Should records be able to mimic primitive types? Paul Eggert
2017-04-05  1:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-08 15:09   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-08 17:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-01 11:35       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-05-01 12:03         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-10 11:39           ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-10 12:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-12 15:07               ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-12 17:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-12 17:15                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-12 17:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-06-12 17:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-12 17:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-06-16 18:42         ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-16 19:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-24 14:47             ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-24 16:44               ` Stefan Monnier

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