From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Issues with quail.el Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 20:28:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83o9hqoy55.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180505115357.daekqzkpg3565ztj@isis.luna> <83wowfp8gj.fsf@gnu.org> <20180508084140.ao5rwz7lupl3pyly@isis.luna> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1525800364 9461 195.159.176.226 (8 May 2018 17:26:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 17:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Amit Ramon Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 08 19:26:00 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6ND-0002Jr-TV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 19:26:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6PL-0006NG-3V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 13:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42816) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6PE-0006NA-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 13:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6PB-0003HJ-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 13:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6PB-0003HA-GQ; Tue, 08 May 2018 13:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4477 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fG6PA-0000sP-Ov; Tue, 08 May 2018 13:28:01 -0400 In-reply-to: <20180508084140.ao5rwz7lupl3pyly@isis.luna> (message from Amit Ramon on Tue, 8 May 2018 11:41:40 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225154 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 11:41:40 +0300 > From: Amit Ramon > > Eli Zaretskii [2018-05-07 22:33 +0300]: > > > > >I'm no expert on this, but does the fact that Dvorak keyboards need > >special input methods tell anything useful for your use case? > > Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I've been using Dvorak keyboard layout > (defined at X level, physical keyboard is standard one) with Hebrew > input method for quite many years, and as for typing, i.e. inputting > Hebrew characters, everything works just fine. Dvorak keyboard doesn't > need special input method - AFAIK quail is designed to work with any > keyboard layout - you just have to tell quail about it. > > The problems I'm talking about are "second order" - they are related to > functions that display information about input methods and keyboard > layouts. My point was that maybe the "second-order" problems you bumped into do need something special like Dvorak input methods do. And we do have special input methods for Dvorak keyboard layouts, AFAIK: e.g., see programmer-dvorak and English-dvorak. > I spent quiet a lot of time trying to resolve the exact problem and > how to fix it, but I have to admit that quail is quiet complex so I'd > appreciate some directions from people who understand it better than > me. I'm afraid all the experts on this matter are quite silent for several years. But maybe someone will chime in...