From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31683: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - opportunity to link eintr to elisp Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:19:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83o9grdhjo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bmcte7yr.fsf@gnu.org> <838t7xe0ox.fsf@gnu.org> <55844132-EA2F-4D3B-835B-0870743E666D@scratch.space> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528039090 10705 195.159.176.226 (3 Jun 2018 15:18:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31683@debbugs.gnu.org To: Van L Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 03 17:18:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUle-0002a2-7H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 17:18:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35623 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUnk-00079V-Ud for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:20:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUne-00079P-MF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUna-00057H-Kr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUna-000560-Ge for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUna-00008N-6s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31683-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31683.1528039153453 (code B ref 31683); Sun, 03 Jun 2018 15:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2018 15:19:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUmn-00007F-0z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:19:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUml-000072-Be for 31683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUmc-0001lf-4j for 31683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUmc-0001lN-0h; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4020 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fPUmb-0003eo-BH; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:19:01 -0400 In-reply-to: <55844132-EA2F-4D3B-835B-0870743E666D@scratch.space> (message from Van L on Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:11:48 +1000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146909 Archived-At: > From: Van L > Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:11:48 +1000 > Cc: 31683@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > Which is actually related to the second location you mentioned > > Which was the summary section. Right. > > In general, this manual is not an introduction chapter for the ELisp > > manual > > The impression given in other discussion about this was the intention for eintr to be close and interwoven with elisp at a level of detail that bends over backwards for a ,non-programmer'. > > There are in general two kinds of people. > > One digests the elisp. Straight away. > > The other prefers eintr at first. > > Having tips of the elisp in the eintr is consciousness raising and invites the reader to go far one day. I'm not saying there should be no cross-references to ELisp -- we already have quite a few. I'm saying that having a cross-reference in every place where we could possibly place one is not TRT for this manual, because it is not a reference manual.