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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 32747@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32747: 26; `C-M-w M-w' with non-nil `mouse-drag-copy-region', if selected with	mouse
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:44:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83o9cte392.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01b0f0c4-e3b8-440f-a739-5995ca4ff615@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT))

> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 32747@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > Anyay, replaying the recipe now (again, from -Q), I see the bad
> > > behavior in _all_ Emacs releases (including back to Emacs 20,
> > > when there was no variable `mouse-drag-copy-region').
> > 
> > Makes sense, because those versions worked as if
> > mouse-drag-copy-region was t.  Emacs 22.1 added that variable, and you
> > should be able to see the problem go away starting from that version,
> > when this variable is nil.
> 
> No. As I said, I checked Emacs 22.3.1 - to be exact:
> 
> GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.2.9200) of 2008-09-06 on SOFT-MJASON

I just tried that version, and I still see that mouse-drag-copy-region
changes the behavior.

> I've checked it multiple times now, each time from `emacs -Q'.
> This is my Emacs 23.4 version:
> GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.2.9200) of 2012-02-04 on MARVIN
> 
> And I see the same thing in subsequent releases, as I said.
> I'm on Windows 10. Nothing special about my Windows, AFAIK.

I'm on XP, but that's where the difference ends.  I have no idea why
you see a different behavior, and I don't have Windows 10 nearby to
check what happens there.

> > Indeed, with that variable non-nil, users are not expected to copy and
> > paste using the keyboard, they are expected to do that with the mouse.
> > And they certainly aren't expected to mix both methods in the same
> > sequence of actions on the same text.
> 
> I don't agree. Nothing in the description of `mouse-drag-copy-region'
> suggests that with a non-nil value users are not expected to also
> copy and paste using the keyboard. That would make no sense.

You can do both, but when you mix them, you get 2 copies of each
kill/copy in the kill-ring.

> There is no reason that someone should not be able to use `C-M-w'
> to affect copies/kills made with the mouse. And there is nothing in
> the doc to suggest otherwise.

This behavior was never implemented.  If that is what you want, you
are asking for a new feature, not reporting a bug, let alone a
regression.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-19 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2018-09-19 18:24       ` bug#32747: 26; `C-M-w M-w' with non-nil `mouse-drag-copy-region', if selected with mouse Drew Adams
2018-09-19 18:44         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found] <<<<<<ea7faa90-5fef-43f8-8aa9-bb3d60d476c4@default>
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2018-09-20 20:59                     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-20 22:16                       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-21  4:23                         ` Drew Adams
2018-09-21  6:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-30  3:54                         ` Drew Adams
2018-10-30  7:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-10-30 13:33                             ` Drew Adams
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     [not found]               ` <<83a7obexed.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20 20:44                 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-20 20:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<<ea7faa90-5fef-43f8-8aa9-bb3d60d476c4@default>
     [not found] ` <<<<83tvmlew2a.fsf@gnu.org>
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     [not found]     ` <<<83pnx9een5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<01b0f0c4-e3b8-440f-a739-5995ca4ff615@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83o9cte392.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-19 19:23           ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 21:29             ` Drew Adams
2018-09-19  8:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 15:16               ` Drew Adams
2018-09-20 20:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 15:09             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <87h8ikpf4u.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
2022-04-21 14:20               ` bug#32747: Be able to append mouse selections at the head of `kill-ring' (e.g, with C-M-w) Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-22 16:07                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-19 22:59                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found] <<ea7faa90-5fef-43f8-8aa9-bb3d60d476c4@default>
     [not found] ` <<83tvmlew2a.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-19 13:51   ` bug#32747: 26; `C-M-w M-w' with non-nil `mouse-drag-copy-region', if selected with mouse Drew Adams
2018-09-19 14:38     ` Eli Zaretskii

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