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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:55:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83o8mz6fh0.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tuwst23n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:35:56 +0300)

> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,  ulm@gentoo.org,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:35:56 +0300
> 
> >> I don't see a strong reason to limit ourselves to a single char, FWIW,
> >> so I think `u7` is fine for utf-7* (it should be very rare anyway).
> >
> > It must be a single character, but OTOH it doesn't have to be an ASCII
> > character.
> 
> I don't know where the requirement for a single character comes from,

Look at the implementation of %z format on the mode line, and you will
see that it expects a single character.

> but since I can't memorize these cryptic characters, I customized
> the mode-line to display coding names in full, except a few characters
> that I can remember: "U" for UTF-8, and "-" for ASCII:

So on a TTY, you can have "UTF-8UTF-8UTF-8", if all the 3 encodings
are UTF-8?  Or do you only handle buffer-file-coding-system and ignore
the other 2 encodings?

> A long coding string in the mode-line also serves as a warning that
> a non-standard coding is used in the buffer.

It's okay to customize the mode line to your personal needs, but are
you really proposing this for a general-purpose feature in Emacs?
Because then we'd need to start by deciding what is "non-standard" in
this context.  For example, assuming the "standard" encoding is the
one determined by the locale, then if one lives in a non-UTF-8 locale,
they will always see "non-standard" strings in each and every .el file
they ever edit, which doesn't sound like a good idea to me.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-24 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-23 11:46 Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 15:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-23 16:07   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 18:24     ` Paul Eggert
2020-08-23 18:53       ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 18:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 18:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 19:13           ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-23 19:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-23 21:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24  7:06                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 14:30                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-29 11:17                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 14:36                   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 15:23                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-24 16:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-05 10:08                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 11:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 13:04                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 13:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 21:50                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-05 22:11                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-06  8:51                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06  5:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06  8:47                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06  9:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06  9:46                                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:32                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:31                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 13:02                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-06 13:08                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-06 17:37                                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-06 18:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 18:44                                       ` Ulrich Müller
2023-07-06 19:01                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 19:31                                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  5:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  5:48                                               ` Ulrich Müller
2023-07-07  6:16                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  6:41                                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  7:38                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  9:44                                                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 10:21                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 10:42                                                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 12:04                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 13:01                                                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 13:38                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:01                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:38                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 13:37                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 13:45                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 12:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  8:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 15:27                                                   ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 15:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 16:21                                                       ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 16:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 16:57                                                           ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-08 18:21                                                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-08 21:31                                                           ` Basil Contovounesios
2023-07-09  9:22                                                       ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-09  9:57                                                         ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap Po Lu
2023-07-13  2:04                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-13  4:27                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-13 22:07                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-14  5:05                                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-14  6:57                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-15  2:10                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-15  2:38                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-15  5:18                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-07-15  5:50                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-15 15:22                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-17  2:22                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-17  5:26                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-17  2:32                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-16  2:19                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-09 11:35                                                         ` Lisp reader syntax and bootstrap (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  0:19                                     ` Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:27                             ` Po Lu
2023-07-07  7:09                               ` UTF-32 (was: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8?) Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07  7:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07  8:20                                   ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 10:16                                     ` UTF-32 Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 10:34                                       ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 12:49                                         ` UTF-32 Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:24                                           ` UTF-32 Andreas Schwab
2023-07-07 13:36                                           ` UTF-32 Ulrich Mueller
2023-07-07 14:06                                             ` UTF-32 Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 12:49                         ` Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Stefan Monnier
2023-07-05 13:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 19:07                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-08-23 19:47             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-24 18:35     ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-24 18:55       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-08-25 18:59         ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-25 19:26           ` Eli Zaretskii

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