From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users (was: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:49:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83o8mcfjxb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28065"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 16:49:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkNA-0007Da-Qo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:49:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49464 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkN9-0007TL-S6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkMO-0006dm-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkMN-0007S1-LP; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2133 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkMN-0004C7-0E; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:49:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (emacs-devel@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255192 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:38:22 +0000 > cc: emacs-devel > From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." > > It should not just be "shorter", it should be *really* short. I've just > read it again, for a new user it is almost useless. I think the following > two keybindings would suffice: "C-x 1" and "C-g". And perhaps the four > following ones to give the new user a sense of what using C- > and M- is: "M-f and M-b", "C-a and C-e". Note that these four > keybindings are also on M-left and M-right and home and end, which is what > a new user would use (and it would work). > > I would perhaps also add "M-%", which is very useful and not documented in > the tutorial. But the tutorial is not just about keybindings. It explains a lot of other turf, mainly the important concepts: buffer, window, mode line, etc.