From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: character sets as they relate to =?utf-8?B?4oCcUmF34oCd?= string literals for elisp Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 19:00:31 +0300 Message-ID: <83o880zuxs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4209edd83cfee7c84b2d75ebfcd38784fa21b23c.camel@crossproduct.net> <87v92ft9z6.fsf@db48x.net> <87o885tyle.fsf@db48x.net> <83k0it6lu5.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0isu7hz.fsf_-_@db48x.net> <87a6jotszy.fsf@db48x.net> <877der8smr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2772y0s.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfxd1g05.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuhtyn46.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22630"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, db48x@db48x.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 07 18:04:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mYVsu-0005fw-B1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 18:04:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55782 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYVss-0006JC-8I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:04:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYVpD-0001hf-1L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:00:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41066) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYVpC-0005JU-1B; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4055 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYVp0-0001Y4-AS; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:00:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:48:09 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276500 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:48:09 -0400 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, db48x@db48x.net, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net > > - In the first case, they use "@samp{---}" and it displays correctly. > - In the second case, they use "---" and it displays correctly (as two > HYPHEN-MINUS). The second one is because the Texinfo manual intentionally doesn't use UTF-8 as @documentencoding. Whereas we do (also intentionally). > What I mean is that I think it would be better if our manuals displayed > em dash (written as "---") as they are displayed in the texinfo manual: > "--" (HYPHEN-MINUS, HYPHEN-MINUS), instead of as "—" (EM DASH). I find > the former way to display this character easier to read in the monospace > fonts that we typically use. Others disagreed at the time, and so we decided quite some time ago to use @documentencoding UTF-8 in all our manuals. (It was not only about the dashes; UTF-8 encoding causes quite a lot of other Unicode characters to be output by makeinfo.) I see no reason to reverse that decision (and start all those arguments all over again).