From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#55362: 29.0.50; Super key no longer works on Wayland Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 17:25:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83o804qh8a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qx08k43.fsf@schnouki.net> <87y1z8z16o.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgjo8bl2.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfpgqk4t.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmkkyxfg.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4693"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, schnouki@schnouki.net, 55362@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 16:26:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nonI3-00010g-Jn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 16:26:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42238 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nonI2-0007AG-Fv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHt-00079j-Uu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:26:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHt-0006Xp-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHt-0004Qi-HV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:26:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 14:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55362 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 55362-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55362.165227913216978 (code B ref 55362); Wed, 11 May 2022 14:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 55362) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2022 14:25:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHQ-0004Pm-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHO-0004PY-DZ for 55362@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:25:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41882) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nonHI-0006Oh-Mn; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:25:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4C8HUX2jNBkoQEwtD86WZHXuXS9h5nheFvtTlkxn2FE=; b=aTNZyJpPDMuf ZPIuXETSq6IlkV4WO0qc9cukbSe/43bKG/IoRuQfFu1f2HKiW69Ta78oSoVWWars15m2QC6s6IbDl q2IqiHbruj+mVJhaIUdY9JhJz6RwtR6lpAV33hLNisO4n+4lQAEtdOeQQW4zL5Zyl07aDlH/i+2hC StyDTN0NpMF7fqXODb5D6IBQD3fKidK74eO+FgS16HHvDuT7gQpces0s5bq8PoazFUlNSDmnGQPLS dvZnQrOyQTznsdfYSKRPWayakE/qAFnv9YDbf6YgpGFGfi8JItSptBNYvScPTonaa7bV5IpzvnTNO Ik8fLcdtm7RCASmoeVg1+w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4869 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nonH2-0001Zo-L9; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:25:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pmkkyxfg.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 11 May 2022 22:08:03 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:231938 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , schnouki@schnouki.net, > 55362@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:08:03 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I agree. At the very least, how about a knob, by default off, to > > restore the previous behavior; we could then have that in PROBLEMS. > > If we do that, then in my experience this bug will never be fixed in > GTK, and we will be stuck maintaining this awful hack until the end of > time. IMO, we should think about our users first. Besides, there's no guarantee whatsoever that the bug will be fix if we don't work around it. > It's okay to add such a knob assuming the GTK bug still isn't fixed > approaching the release of Emacs 29, but not now, when that release is > still several years away. I think this is a mistake. We cause a disadvantage to our users now because we believe the GTK developers will fix this later. There's no reason for that hope based on our past experience. And if you believe GTK developers pay such attention to what we do or don't do, why not assume that they will read this discussion and say "okay, those Emacs guys can solve this themselves if they want to"?