From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62694: 30.0.50; eglot-tests fails with recent pylsp Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:57:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83o7nzokwc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sfddibcn.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7o1tfvc.fsf@gmx.de> <87ile9t5uj.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttxssyef.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7o0rvax.fsf@gmx.de> <835ya8otvh.fsf@gnu.org> <83355cot57.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn2ondpe.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8i7opz4.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn2n51qr.fsf@gmx.de> <83sfdbopa8.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1n3hnlh.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13033"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 62694@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 07 15:57:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmaa-00039C-4k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:57:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmaP-0001uY-Ex; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmaN-0001u7-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmaM-0007Ah-9B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmaL-000348-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2023 13:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62694 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62694-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62694.168087580411763 (code B ref 62694); Fri, 07 Apr 2023 13:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62694) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2023 13:56:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pkma3-00033e-VM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:56:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pkma2-00033Q-4A for 62694@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmZw-0006mR-H4; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:56:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=hXEoFWmfazZGOzswrr6DMFX+Xjtd1EdFITdgz9awVH0=; b=ZSdncZXuBFZWpHSEnZ7Q aXd1w82xZCLhxwCC1ZETeIvXIh9rNIT7iDCq5ps5isb05gt125hrmWAkPMN9QwibiIhujvkXLUyGM 9QhNnuPhPxWVLzf3oUH+W75MZ+1A0Ix5QwQohJuvmSo0gQKT/pf2kjSCFXbf2u8k7ppBaCf5LGtwL 1kKmgAf8/os98pDVRpobZZ1zN7rZmdSWwXbWfQKmoEl68tEVKrc3hvoF/SzfO0VmZmcbIIrjMnmSj TVRh74UMxBVdT1/fChWBpxy7LO5mqBSZhwkiDidHZtqPMHDnkp/XYm1rjbOnkWteyTIdyEj3jJGj+ cO+DCvThrdA16Q==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pkmZw-00040u-5n; Fri, 07 Apr 2023 09:56:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y1n3hnlh.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Fri, 07 Apr 2023 13:40:42 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259419 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Cc: Michael Albinus , 62694@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2023 13:40:42 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Given João's reluctance to help you to find a better solution, > > FTR I've given a solution about 20 times now that was ignored > repeteadly. There is no general bullet-proof solution for the problem > of broken or misbehaving installations of external tools. So these > tests cannot ever be "stable". You can mark them _all_ unstable. Great, then we agree. Michael, would you please mark the relevant tests unstable? > FTR I've given a solution known to be working in an Ubuntu-based CI > system, very similar to Debian, for almost 5 years now. Noone seems to > be heeding it, so what can I do? > > FTR I've explained at length why the "better solution" that you and > Michael are conjecturing to be very easy is beyond me. In my analysis, > there is no simple Elisp code that can, in this pylsp case, easily > discern between a functioning installation and a malfunctioning one. > I've asked for your suggestions on how this can be done and I've not > received any concrete ideas. > > FTR, earlier this year, I took Michael's idea of adding a version check > to clangd for eglot-tests.el because it was relatively easy and cheap > and shown to be working. _Not_ because there were any reports of people > with old clangd running make check (absolutely 0 of those too), but > because I found it easy to do so (and why not appease good old > Michael?). There the argument was that in that old Debian Stable debian > system of EMBA it was not easy to install a newer clangd. OK. But, for > pylsp that is _not_ the case at all, it's a simple one liner. > > So if anyone is being stubborn here, it's _not_ me. I didn't stay you were stubborn.