From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:50:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83my68lvuu.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249840294 9049 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 17:51:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 19:51:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaCY9-0000pW-EU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:51:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47580 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaCY8-0007H4-QE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaCXm-0007AV-5S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaCXl-0007A7-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54333 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaCXl-00079z-9b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:41954) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaCXk-0002iO-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaCXj-0005Hw-Lq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KO400000E82WR00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:50:49 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.224.142]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KO400M7GEWPDKB0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:50:49 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113861 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:05:35 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > > The game items seem a bit silly. >=20 > Maybe, but it costs just one entry. Yes, and what's wrong with some humor and play, for a change? Why should Emacs be so dead serious? > > The =E2=80=9CFind Emacs Packages=E2=80=9D item has rather confusi= ng name. After using > > Emacs 8 hours a day for 10 years, i pulled it today for the first > > time Shame on Xah. > > Looking at the result, it does not seems very useful. For > > example, clicking on OOP shows a bunch of modes that really have > > little to do with Object Oriented Programing. Perhaps it should g= o > > into the =E2=80=9CSearch Documentation=E2=80=9D sub-menu. There's nothing magic here: the keywords assigned to each package is = a human's job; Finder just puts all of them into a database and trivially searches that. Patches are welcome for adding more keyword= s and (more importantly) to re-index existing packages so that the search is more useful. > > The =E2=80=9CEmacs Psychotherapist=E2=80=9D is the forefront of A= I research in the > > 1960s. (It is a implementation of ELIZA) Having it in 1980s is wa= y > > cool. Having it in 1990s in a text editor is a novelty. Today, as > > a demo of elisp power or as a fun program, it's rather stupid. >=20 > I'd call it silly, and silliness is a quality. Indeed. It's entertainment, and sometimes it could make a difference when you need to relax after a lot of work. People who live inside Emacs should not need to go out to look for entertainment. > > The items in =E2=80=9CMore Manuals=E2=80=9D sub-menu, can all be = gone except the =E2=80=9CAll > > Other Manuals (Info)=E2=80=9D and the the =E2=80=9CLookup Subject= in all manuals...=E2=80=9D > > (info-apropos). On a typical GNU system, "All Other Manuals" will lead to a humongously long list of available manuals. Heck, even on my Windows box there are over 50 items in that list! So what's wrong with havin= g a few of them that are related to Emacs easily reachable without having to wade through a long list? Can you say "usability"?