From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: build broken: no defun org-float-time. Who's guilty, and what does he propose? Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:20:01 +0300 Message-ID: <83my562kda.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20090907092823.GA3210@muc.de> <83ws4a3b49.fsf@gnu.org> <0C7A6FC6-085D-4B7F-9DC0-FF0493876153@raeburn.org> <83tyze34fd.fsf@gnu.org> <88A44246-FB18-46DB-B92D-00E1716F5F68@raeburn.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252380135 9389 80.91.229.12 (8 Sep 2009 03:22:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ken Raeburn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 05:22:08 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MkrHU-0001RY-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:22:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46500 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MkrHT-00024m-KS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MkrHO-00022Z-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MkrHM-00021Z-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42766 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MkrHM-00021W-8L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:54217) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkrHM-0007oe-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il ([84.95.2.13]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkrHL-0003JC-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KPM00700UHRVP00@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:21:56 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.50.163]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KPM0094NUOKVX00@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:21:56 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <88A44246-FB18-46DB-B92D-00E1716F5F68@raeburn.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115116 Archived-At: > From: Ken Raeburn > Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:39:32 -0400 > Cc: Emacs development discussions > > > Files loaded by loadup.el are easily extracted by simple text > > scanning, and the byte compiler itself indeed _is_ a prerequisite for > > every other compilation. > > But if a minor comment change is made in the compiler source, must we > recompile everything? Yes, why not? > We don't generally make .o files explicitly depend on the C > compiler. If a compiler can change the ABI, you must. > > Btw, I don't understand what problem do you see with files preloaded > > by loadup. They should simply be all prerequisites of temacs, and > > that's it, right? > > > Well, "emacs", not "temacs" which is just linked from the C code, but > also I was assuming we wouldn't make the emacs binary an explicit > dependency for the .elc files Not all of them, just those that are preloaded. We already have that dependency: emacs${EXEEXT}: temacs${EXEEXT} ${etc}DOC ${lisp} ${SOME_MACHINE_LISP} > otherwise, someone downloading and > building a release will have to recompile all the elisp code I don't see why. Please explain. > On the other hand, we probably don't want to recompile > everything because lisp/language/georgian.el changed. No, we don't, but I don't see how would that happen. You just need to re-dump.