From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:58:20 +0200 Message-ID: <83mwkwco8z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83vbzkcx20.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385143135 26543 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2013 17:58:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com, rms@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 18:58:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjv0H-0004GW-9f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:58:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40367 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjv0H-0000JU-00 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:58:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59849) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjv08-0000Hu-Pe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:58:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjv04-0005hI-6Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:58:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:34045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjv03-0005hC-Uv; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:58:40 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MWO00G00F8P5600@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:58:38 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MWO00FKEF92ZVA0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:58:15 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165572 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:39:55 +0700 > From: Yuri Khan > Cc: Stefan Monnier , ttn@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, > Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I guess you've never used any of the *Office word processors, because > > they allow this quite easily: there's a font selection combo on the > > tool bar, and a size selection combo right next to it. > > Yes, and those, along with the buttons, > are a sure way to create an unmaintainable document. It is easy and > predictable at first and is fine if you only need to hack up a quick > page, print it out and not even bother to save it. But when writing > any kind of a long-lived document, direct formatting is a curse. We are not here to force any particular workflows on users. If they find such document unmaintainable, they will refrain from doing that. (FWIW, I have yet to see why applying these attributes makes documents "unmaintainable", and I write large documents for a living.)