From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35360: 26.2; Default bindings of `A' and `Q' in Dired, for MS Windows users Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:11:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83muki8t8b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2ee4e871-a51a-47fe-bb67-8ff0f12a986b@default> <83wojn89ee.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm0zcg9e.fsf@gmx.de> <6be7fe2c-a1ff-4334-8251-86761610a4f4@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="20670"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 35360@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 22 08:12:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBY-0005Bq-7R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:12:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32943 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBW-0003Xt-Vj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49612) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBQ-0003Xn-9i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBO-00058Q-S1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36076) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBO-000585-Oe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hISBO-0008Ud-E0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:12:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35360 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35360-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35360.155591349432612 (code B ref 35360); Mon, 22 Apr 2019 06:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35360) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2019 06:11:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hISAv-0008Tv-RE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35142) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hISAt-0008Tj-En for 35360@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:11:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hISAo-0004jd-AY; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4370 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hISAn-0002MF-QQ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:11:26 -0400 In-reply-to: <6be7fe2c-a1ff-4334-8251-86761610a4f4@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:157984 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 35360@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Patches welcome to use Lisp replacements for 'find' and 'grep' on > > > Windows (with a defcustom that will allow to use the external programs > > > when they are available). > > > > Something like ls-lisp? Yes, that would be useful. We shall change the > > title of this bug report, or divide it even into two reports, for > > find-lisp and grep-lisp. > > That would be good. But please create separate bug > reports for such enhancements. Don't just retitle > this thread and change its meaning. > > This bug thread is about the binding of commands that > cannot possibly work out of the box for MS Windows > users, where by out-of-the-box I mean without knowing > that they need to install some additional software > and then installing that. > > And this thread is about the broken repurposing of > bindings that previously worked for such users - and > whose previous commands still work for them (and for > everyone else). If you think that discussing ways to fix the problem for Windows users who don't have 'find' and 'grep' does not belong to this bug report, then why did you file this bug report? Isn't fixing the problem the goal of this report? If not, what is its goal? > However you look at it, until/unless the enhancement > requests that Michael suggests are available this bug > needs fixing. MS Windows users have lost something, > out of the box, at least. We are discussing how to provide that. What is it that you don't like about this discussion? > As the first line of this thread says, "Shouldn't the > default bindings of `A' and `Q' DTRT on MS Windows out > of the box?" That's what this bug is about. How the > bug gets fixed is another matter. Saying that we should fix it by replacing 'find' and 'grep' in Lisp answers that question in my book. By fixing the bug we acknowledge that the answer to the question is positive. > If we won't restore `A' and `Q' to what they were before > for everyone (and Eli says we won't) then can we not do > something else to restore/replace what we broke for > Windows users by changing their bindings to commands > that they can use? That is, not change `A' and `Q' back > for everyone, but do so for those that need a workaround. This is the wrong way of fixing the problem, and therefore we won't do it, as I said in my previous message.