From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 18:28:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83mujrbsk7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <04187AB9-AD7D-492D-A890-BCB01848370C@icloud.com> <20190511075712.GD29829@tuxteam.de> <86a7fsfv1m.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190512075448.GA11650@tuxteam.de> <346107E9-590D-4A18-9152-ECFF36FC4EDC@icloud.com> <83r293bvok.fsf@gnu.org> <87ef53vihw.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="27781"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 12 17:31:02 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hPqRK-00078A-Mv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:31:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPqRG-0006CI-Ml for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 11:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPqR1-00068P-5q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 11:30:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58154) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hPqPL-0005JE-Nf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 11:28:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1595 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hPqPL-00054x-87 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2019 11:28:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ef53vihw.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes on Sun, 12 May 2019 16:45:47 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120322 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 16:45:47 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Most stuff Emacs routinely does is something the other editors could > > only dream about, so by and large you are comparing apples to peanuts. > > Examples? M-: (add-text-properties 1 2 '(display "Look, ma!")) RET > Emacs is amazing, but as far as productivity goes, at least as a > programmer's editor for popular languages, it is far behind current > contenders. You've changed the subject, yes? This was never about productivity. I agree that our situation with IDE features is quite bleak, but that's entirely unrelated to the issues discussed in this thread, and its reasons IMO have nothing to do with either ELisp speed or flexibility of Emacs in general.