From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org,
arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: [ELPA] New package: repology.el
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 17:13:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mtwx2gnx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YA3c7rudRdiIvdOz@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:47:42 +0300)
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:47:42 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, ams@gnu.org,
> arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> I understand it. If that schema defines a document format and document
> format cannot be modified then I do not see how software that handles
> that document format is free. Programmers should be able to improve
> the format or make it incompatible as it is part of the overall
> document creation. It is not software but data used by software. Data
> should be modifiable in my opinion.
Modifications of a schema produce a file that can no longer be used
with the same collection of documents and protocols. So such
modifications are not useful. I very much hope that we as a movement
will not insist on abstract "freedom" to make useless modifications
just for the sake of modifications. To me, Free Software movement is
a pragmatic movement that picks up its fights wisely, and this
particular fight isn't, it's a Quixotic fight for a useless goal.
> Let us say enriched mode in Emacs, if it would not be modifiable by
> programmers who fork Emacs, I am not sure if Emacs would be free
> software.
Enriched mode doesn't have or use a schema, so this example is
inapplicable.
> How about Org mode itself? If its format would not be modifiable, then
> we would not have software similar on Org or based on Org mode, such
> as:
>
> OneModel — an Alternative to emacs org-mode
> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/04/23/0149257
Is OneModel compatible with Org? If it is, then it's an extension,
not some modification. If it isn't compatible, then it's simply a
different schema, unrelated to Org.
> I just hope that Libreoffice is not using non-free OASIS schemas.
They would be silly if they didn't.
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2020-12-30 16:23 [ELPA] New package: repology.el Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-30 19:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30 21:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-31 13:31 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 11:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-31 13:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 20:30 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-01 7:31 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 10:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-01 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 9:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-02 5:30 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 12:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 14:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 15:00 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 16:32 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-05 6:45 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 8:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 7:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 16:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 17:55 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-04 18:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 22:21 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-05 2:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-05 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 9:28 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 9:44 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 17:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 19:14 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 19:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-06 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-06 14:41 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 14:59 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-06 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 16:23 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-06 18:53 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 21:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-06 21:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 7:47 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <E1kxGuO-00079C-NR@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <b94804db-7140-d450-6fc2-5afa440a8736@yandex.ru>
[not found] ` <E1kxZru-0007Cl-DD@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-01-07 18:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 21:07 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:14 ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-08 11:46 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:51 ` Aldric Giacomoni
2021-01-08 16:23 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:11 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:29 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-08 19:17 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:19 ` Arthur Miller
2021-10-04 13:46 ` Time to dial back the dialectic? [was: Re: Privileges and practicalities] dick
2021-10-04 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 20:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 7:25 ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Jean Louis
2021-01-10 17:18 ` Devin Prater
2021-01-11 15:57 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:47 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:32 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08 13:53 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Jean Louis
2021-01-08 17:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-10 6:06 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11 4:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:00 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:10 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:31 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-13 5:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:37 ` Arthur Miller
[not found] ` <2c5399e3-fa36-575d-d662-c7498dc334d6@yandex.ru>
[not found] ` <X/dsHBhcgPAXbqwe@protected.rcdrun.com>
2021-01-07 20:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 20:47 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <834kjslexq.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <E1kxcV3-0005Rt-7a@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-01-08 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 11:48 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 13:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10 6:04 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10 6:04 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 8:54 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 18:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:07 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 21:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-08 17:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 5:59 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-12 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-12 6:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:08 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:46 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 19:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-11 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 11:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 8:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 19:38 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 20:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:00 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-08 11:28 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:13 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-06 20:36 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-07 7:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 16:53 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-14 5:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-16 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 8:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 9:00 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 6:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08 6:30 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:45 ` frepology.org Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:11 ` frepology.org Jean Louis
2021-01-11 4:47 ` frepology.org Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 10:55 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-07 11:46 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 19:38 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-07 20:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 11:54 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 18:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 21:07 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-11 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 8:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-20 6:14 ` Richard Stallman
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2021-01-24 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 8:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
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2021-01-24 10:53 ` Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: " Jean Louis
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2021-01-24 19:12 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-24 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-24 20:36 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-12-30 21:58 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v2) Nicolas Goaziou
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