From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59631: 29.0.50; [PATCH] New check-man target to check man pages for errors Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2022 09:06:35 +0200 Message-ID: <83mt85dkzo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83h6ykpfkn.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz98p8l8.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgcbnuom.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8mvglk5.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6191"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 59631@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 03 08:08:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Md9-0001Tm-62 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 08:08:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Md2-0001kX-OQ; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:08:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Md0-0001k8-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Md0-0005cD-82 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Mcz-0005iN-OW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:08:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2022 07:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59631 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 59631-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59631.167005123321960 (code B ref 59631); Sat, 03 Dec 2022 07:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2022 07:07:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51300 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p1McD-0005i8-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Mc8-0005hz-SO for 59631@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:07:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Mc3-0005ZN-Lt; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:07:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+DEVb8ouo58IH0J0l40cMfgoRaqDFXFimGN3S3GY1Vw=; b=jpA8TAl/W+IB n8GMuRHGqBTbNfgFaZkuCsZTzEK9gjhRmlAygI8BNtuz55LgdmbwVMjagMHz+8CZDHy2MVPKTQYGl rpJGJkJ8n7Bg+kBU/1geSVZabyrVamGJ/UTXxT4Ai6lHPBbxGbDsbFiryRArCMwFUB3CIzcazQ1Z9 Ui9dQkAtKwNxFaF/WUd0VJ7Q2/IoJfWoAvb1uxWUZpNiuLymTi/OZj7Wf7Jkt4NRiDd46phJoLYz8 sl57E6w/0b8flY+EMdG2rBo4zZvm2G9kwtRUq1/7T1L1O5idaF9te3oo5u/1nVAAQUWn5x3XyB+dw LFCyj7CLQjBuLpgftgIJ5g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p1Mbx-0000gc-Ax; Sat, 03 Dec 2022 02:06:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 02 Dec 2022 17:50:05 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:249811 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, 59631@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2022 17:50:05 -0500 > > A feature limited to GNU-Like systems is not a horrible thing. Our > policy is that support for non-GNU-like systems is at best a secondary > goal -- something users can implement if they wish, but we don't > consider the lack of that support as a problem. > > It's fine to make this call Groff directly, if it has no major > drawbacks. But please don't imply that the absence of that support > would be horrible. This is not a user-level feature. This is a feature for Emacs developers, and only for those of them who routinely work on producing the release tarballs. From my POV, it is important to make this kind of features to work on as many systems as possible, if only to allow me to do these jobs from my local system. The feature is implemented in Groff, btw, the man page of 'man' says that explicitly. And I didn't say the inability to use Groff directly would be "horrible", quite the contrary. Quote: > Can this be done by running Groff directly instead of via 'man'? If it's > possible, it's IMO better, since Groff installations are more widespread > than the particular variant of 'man' you used in the script. E.g., I think > the requirement for C.UTF-8 locale being available can be dropped in that > case. > > But if doing so requires too much effort or research, feel free to install > what you have. Note the last paragraph. So I consider your reprimand gratuitous and even mildly insulting. It sounds like you reacted to a single sentence, taken out of context, and either didn't read or forgot the other messages I wrote in this thread.