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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org,
	theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 19:02:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mt6h2ix7.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0380a032-bca0-4225-6f9d-853de49f100f@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:22:05 +0200)

> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 17:22:05 +0200
> Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org,
>  theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> 
> > I'm frankly surprised that this is not what you do in your testing.  I
> > was quite sure that everyone who does any serious development or
> > maintenance work in Emacs does something like that.  How else is it
> > possible to, e.g., load some obscure package someone says is necessary
> > for reproducing a problem?
> > 
> > So in your case, when I'm done with testing whatever I need to test in
> > ruby-ts-mode, I ether shut down that session, or start another one in
> > parallel if I need to compare it with, say, ruby-mode.
> 
> That's untenable.
> 
> Running a benchmark is evaluating a form like
> 
>    (benchmark-run 1000 (progn (font-lock-mode -1) (font-lock-mode 1) 
> (font-lock-ensure)))
> 
> I can start a new session for an investigation, but I'm not going to 
> restart Emacs every time I evaluate a form.

Why not?  It's easy and quick and solves all the problems you
mentioned (and then some).  Like I said: I'm using this myself all the
time.

> Doing the benchmarks in a different order (e.g. go through the files 
> with one mode and then restart and go with another) is also only an 
> option if I were to note the numbers on e.g. a piece of paper. I rarely 
> do that; that would also slow me down compared to the current practice.

No need for paper: just M-w the data and yank into your production
session (which stays up and running all the time).  Again, I'm doing
this all the time in my work on Emacs.

> And also speaking of using 'emacs -Q', that's well-suited to testing 
> some classes of bugs, and not so much for others.

You can start from "emacs -Q" and load whatever is needed.  You can
make an ad-hoc init file that loads everything you need automatically,
to save manual typing.  I'm doing this all the time when the setup is
complicated.

> >>     (require 'ruby-ts-mode)
> >>     (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist <...huge regexp from ruby-mode.el...>)
> >>
> >> ...and then update it over the years if new entries are added there over
> >> the years -- by the way, having a separate regexp in ruby-ts-mode.el is
> >> an unfortunate duplication.
> > 
> > If this is about the difference between the regexps, we can fix that,
> > I don't object to have both modes handle the same files.
> 
> A common constant would help, with that particular aspect.

Consider it done.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-17 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-04 14:48 bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam Eric Gillespie
2023-01-04 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 19:40   ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-04 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  0:43       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-05  6:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  7:06         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05  7:44           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  8:00             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05  8:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  8:40                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05  8:42                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05  8:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  8:52                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  9:05                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05  7:57         ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2023-01-05  8:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  8:32             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2023-01-05  8:44         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-05  8:48           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-05  9:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  8:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 13:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-05 14:02         ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-15 14:01         ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 23:39           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16  7:43             ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-16 16:30               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 12:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 13:06               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 14:50                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 12:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 13:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 14:32                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 14:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 15:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-01-17 17:10                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:59                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:21                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 19:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 19:21                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  1:11                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-18  1:23                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  3:34                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18  3:52                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 12:06                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 14:00                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 14:51                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 12:36                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-17 17:34                             ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:40                               ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-17 18:17                                 ` treesit-forward-sexp Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:50                               ` treesit-forward-sexp (was: Make all tree-sitter modes optional) Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16  1:12           ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Po Lu
2023-01-17 17:30           ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:19               ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 18:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 19:08               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-14 19:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 21:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 15:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 17:57                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 20:31                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16  5:41                             ` tomas
2023-02-16  7:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 22:05                               ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]                           ` <87v8k2g04m.fsf@dick>
2023-02-15 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <87mt5eegkw.fsf@dick>
2023-02-16  7:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:52                                   ` Po Lu
2023-02-15 21:40                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:30                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:37                             ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 13:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-17 14:16                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-17 15:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <8735741fic.fsf@dick>
2023-02-17 15:41                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 16:04                                       ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Stefan Kangas
2023-02-17 17:42                                         ` Morgan Willcock
2023-02-17 15:15                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-17 13:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                               ` <d4c1a7f6-b5bf-f4f3-8d79-1c6b1d07cf70@yandex.ru>
2023-02-17 14:22                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 15:18                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:01                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 19:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 20:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 21:04                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  7:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  9:49                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16 11:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 14:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 15:42                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 16:45                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 17:05                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 19:14                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 20:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  5:45                                     ` tomas
2023-02-16  8:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 10:30                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16 12:38                                           ` Po Lu
2023-02-16 12:53                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 20:24                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16  7:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  7:53                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16  8:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:46                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16 11:58                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 11:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 14:48                                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2023-02-16 14:56                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 15:15                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-15 23:48                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-02-16  2:56                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:27                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 21:06                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16  7:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 18:25                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-04 19:59   ` bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam Stephen Berman
2023-01-04 20:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 20:33       ` Stephen Berman
2023-01-05  6:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  7:46           ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-05  7:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05 14:59               ` Eric Gillespie
2023-01-22 13:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-01-19 16:53 Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20  8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20 16:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20 19:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 11:30       ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-21 11:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22  6:23           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-22  6:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 10:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-18  7:55 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-03-11 12:45 ` Ongaro

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