From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Blog post Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:33:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83msudqgbg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkatw58b.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18130"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: arne_bab@web.de, me@eshelyaron.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 14 10:33:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rDi6L-0004Kh-Of for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:33:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDi5w-0003Bs-DN; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 04:33:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDi5u-0003Ba-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 04:33:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDi5u-0007GH-BP; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 04:33:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Y4Spvi8t48mCmkWHKEHvpMwNDvBUpKa65tBi4Y06uJs=; b=DnBTVd/X5fAt5P5gwTnr JfdlT+lD4hVWKEhKbsFraJL1Z12OqCpwvNY2DJehslCrEEcJlspvNLkHQJsVJe51QvT8w1ezyQRVK v7+ChdST587WT601zAEuGK+V+Gcif114UdJ1s2h5C/6uDX28vgIYfl1FCWBgUkp1ywZVl312hnNTQ JwFrPVKq+iMrz9040DxTOkiPZgBCNJowjFD6EFJteCuhLkwmRnSZRWFTBDGewH2k6DVrVZ2z+590V CBNtg17WvCeywQ5RQsUBkrLUFCLY/OBVb90wpSSHoeJfO51KmnofYrQuWPcVCpDi91klV0/MDIg1F DMiHaCa9v5tKNw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Christopher Dimech on Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:22:33 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313767 Archived-At: > From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: Eshel Yaron , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:22:33 +0100 > > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:30 PM > > From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" > > To: "Christopher Dimech" > > Cc: "Eshel Yaron" , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: Blog post > > > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > > Ranting exclusively to oneself, without any external input or perspective is problematic. > > > Without external feedback or differing viewpoints, it's challenging to gain a realistic > > > perspective on the problem being ranted about. Ultimately leading to unexamined positions > > > without the benefit of alternative viewpoints. Without external communication you will get > > > frustrated and isolated. Sharing with others is healthy, providing potential solutions if you > > > are correct in your analysis. > > > > So maybe the solution would rather be: if you’re frustrated, first enjoy > > a good meal (that’s good for the mood ☺), then say politely inside the > > community what feels like a problem to you. > > If one put enough focus, then a rant is justified, even if to be corrected. > > > My personal experience is that almost every time I grew sarcastic or > > ranted, I hit the wrong people … (and had to write an excuse, hoping > > that they would still be listening). > > >From your experience, have your rants been justified ? Introspection > of other people's rants should be considered part of the work. After > all, expletives towards demigods have occurred since time immemorial, > and will surely continue. > > When Odysseus is washed ashore on the island of Ogygia, Calypso compels > him to remain as her lover for seven years. But he finally escapes when > Hermes tells Calypso to release him. I would also tell Calypso to release > users, rather than compelling them to be her lovers for many years. Please take this kind of threads to emacs-tangents, where they belong. Thanks.