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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:12:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ljffif09.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B647AE5.5090001@gmx.at>

>  >>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
>  >>  >       |$ijk     |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk        |
>  >>  >       |     KJI$|$HGFEDCBA|        KJIHGFEDCBA|
>  >>  >       |         |         |                   |
>  >>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Is this what you are suggesting?
>  >>
>  >> This would be needlessly inconvenient.
>  >
>  > Why inconvenient?
> 
> Inconvenient for the user.  Why scroll something out of view if there's
> no urgent need to do so.  (Although a similar argument could be made for
> pure LR text as well

Exactly!  So perhaps we should adopt this design, as it doesn't make
things worse and does not require additional interfaces (such as
`window-RL-hscroll').

>  > That's what would happen if the second line was
>  > displayed at the left margin, like this:
>  >
>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
>  >       |$ijk     |abcdefgh$|abcdefghijk        |
>  >       |$IJK     |$HGFEDCBA|        KJIHGFEDCBA|
>           ^^^^^^^^^
>  >       |         |         |                   |
>  >       +---------+---------+-------------------+
> 
> I fail to understand the marked text in your example.

In the current unidirectional display, where text is always displayed
in its logical (i.e. reading) order, the second line would have been
displayed as "ABCDEFGHIJK", flushed to the left margin.  Then when the
line above it is scrolled to show just "$ijk", so would be the second
line, and it would display as "$IJK".

My point was that the bidirectional display conceptually does the
same, except it reverses the characters and flushes them to the right.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-30 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-30 13:44 Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 15:14 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-30 15:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 16:36 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 17:22     ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 17:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:31         ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 19:12           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-01-30 19:45             ` martin rudalics
2010-01-30 21:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:36                 ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 18:02                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 20:01                     ` martin rudalics
2010-01-31 21:53                       ` Miles Bader
2010-02-01  4:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01  8:34                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01  4:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01  8:34                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 20:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02  8:08                             ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 16:06                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-02-01 21:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02  8:08                         ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 13:23                           ` tomas
2010-02-02 14:39                             ` martin rudalics
2010-02-02 19:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:29                               ` tomas
2010-02-02 21:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-06  6:35                               ` tomas
2010-02-06 14:46                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 22:55                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 23:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 12:42 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 15:02   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-01-31 18:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 18:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 21:05     ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 21:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-02 21:21         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-01 14:00 ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 20:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-01 22:05     ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-02 20:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:10         ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 18:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 11:01             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 15:14               ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 15:57                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-04 17:21                   ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04 19:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 20:46                   ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:41                       ` [emacs-bidi] " tomas
2010-02-04 22:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-04 19:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 13:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05 21:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 22:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-07  4:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-07  8:35                             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-07 15:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 14:02             ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 19:48                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  6:52               ` tomas
2010-02-03 21:02           ` Davis Herring
2010-02-04  4:16             ` Bidirectional embeddings (was: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll) Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 16:21             ` [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Ehud Karni
2010-02-04 19:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 22:13                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-05  9:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 10:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 18:06                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Stefan Monnier
2010-02-06 13:39                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-06 15:45                       ` Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06 21:18                         ` [emacs-bidi] " David De La Harpe Golden
2010-02-11 21:40                     ` Beni Cherniavsky
2010-02-12 11:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-12 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 12:21                 ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-05 13:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-05 14:22                     ` Miles Bader
2010-02-05 14:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  1:07                         ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06  9:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-06  9:32                             ` Miles Bader
2010-02-06 15:42                     ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-06 19:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-03 13:22         ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-03 19:01           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-04 14:08             ` [emacs-bidi] " Ehud Karni
2010-02-01 15:36 ` Stefan Monnier

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