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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:38:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ljakjdv2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinQAqx44yZ0PdTbbnliWfBkaV2ASVSRhxGW6MWO@mail.gmail.com>

> From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:25:41 +0200
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > In fact, you might drop "logical" altogether - the word itself doesn't really
> > help here. If you speak about the order of the chars in the buffer (as opposed
> > to how they appear) I think that will be clear.
> 
> 
> From what I read it seems to me that "logical" should mean "human
> reading order", not the buffer character order.

These two orders are identical.  The reason is that people type text
in the order they read it.  "Logical order" just means we store text
in the same order as it is read and typed.

> I guess they are the same here, but that is an implementation detail

No, it's not an implementation detail.  Emacs stores text in files,
and those files also use the logical order.  As soon as text is saved
on a file, the order of characters is not longer internal to Emacs.

In using logical order, Emacs follows the other applications; doing
that the other way around would mean the files created by Emacs are
incompatible with other applications.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-12 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-07  1:05 Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:35 ` Performance Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 14:22   ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) David Kastrup
2010-06-07 14:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:01       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p David Kastrup
2010-06-07 23:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:34       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 14:12       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 15:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12           ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 19:34             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 20:16               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 21:24                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 22:46                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:27                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 17:12                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 17:25                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-06-12 18:49                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:51                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:01                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 19:16                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:19                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 22:57                         ` Davis Herring
2010-06-11 19:45           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 19:50             ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 10:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:34             ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:54                 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 14:26             ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 20:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 16:29         ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:09           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:49               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 16:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 16:18                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:58                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:34                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:26                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:20                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:07                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:16                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  3:52                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  7:53                               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-11 17:37           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 18:04             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-11 21:23               ` W Dan Meyer
2010-06-12  5:40                 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12 10:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:57                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:22               ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  9:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 12:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 12:40                 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 20:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-12 16:36           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 16:57             ` Current head won't build Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 17:24               ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 18:55                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 19:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-12 20:13                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-14 15:43                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15 14:50                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 18:28                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 18:31                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 19:25                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:38                                 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-06-15 19:43                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:54                                   ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16  3:28                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16  8:21                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16  9:47                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-16 12:23                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16 12:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  6:05                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  8:20                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  9:04                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  9:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 10:41                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 11:33                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 12:44                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:12                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 13:17                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:21                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:00                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:18                                                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:25                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:29                                                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:58                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 15:09                                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 15:51                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:29                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:14                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 18:32                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16 18:43                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-18  6:04                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-12 16:41           ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 23:34             ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:12         ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  5:43           ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12  9:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 11:13               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 12:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 22:27               ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13  3:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 10:24                   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13 15:28                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 17:20                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:03                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:23             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 14:27               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12  9:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 16:08       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 16:21         ` David Kastrup
2010-06-07 17:25           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 18:26             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-07 19:24               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 19:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 20:17                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 22:32                     ` Davis Herring
2010-06-07 22:40                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-08  0:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 13:51                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-08 20:25                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 21:07                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-07 23:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-08  7:58     ` Miles Bader
2010-06-07 15:33   ` Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-10 10:30 ` Performance Kenichi Handa
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-12 20:56 arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p grischka
2010-06-12 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:26   ` grischka

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